UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?

[Junkenstein]

Immigrants bad! EU Complex! Many people not white! Things today different than 1950 and I'm scared!

That's probably giving the leave argument more nuance than they've bothered with.

[Faust]

The Nuclear issue is just the tip of the iceberg for the looming energy problems.
I know I know common sense, but I think everyone who can should know the following

The UK Imports energy daily to maintain grid stability (if you have a surplus you have a danger of the frequency going high and transformers blowing, if you have a shortage you have brownouts, not in and of themselves a huge problem apart from the impact on industry, day to day life, hospitals etc. Unless you get a blackout event. It takes a LONG time to get the grid back on line from a blackstart, you have to do it gradually in small sections around the country).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/0/why-the-uk-is-using-less-energy-but-importing-more---and-why-it/
"Imports accounted for just under 40 per cent of UK energy supplies last year"

The UK import prices are good currently, Europe uses collective bargaining to get oil cheaply by buying in large quantities for guaranteed amounts of time.
Even internally the North/South Interconnect allows The Republic to export our surplus wind on a daily basis now, with low costs.
In all likelihood leaving the collective bargaining pool is an attempt to pass the costs on to the industries that require it (someone is going to have to foot the bill). Food transport, airlines, Manufacturing are all going to be hit. Take this already grim example from Mini

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/03/brexit-uk-car-industry-mini-britain-eu

They were already talking about the fears around sourcing parts that are completed on the continent, now imagine the shipping costs involved in moving those back and forth when it's not heavily subsidised.
China has already been devouring the steel industry in the UK, now imagine what they can do to the rest of the manufacturing industry as energy and transport costs raise.
It is now in China's interest to delay the development of the new plant as long as they can and deliberately foster an energy crisis in the UK.

[Junkenstein]

The beautiful thing from the chinese perspective is that they won't even have to pull anything crafty to delay shit, the government and local residents will do all the heavy lifting for them in delaying new builds. In the meantime, existing powerstations will get shut down or run into the ground until there's a serious incident causing unplanned shortages.

This is the hilarious thing about brexit, pick any product, service or peice of infrastructure you care to name and it goes to shit once you're out of the EU.

But hey, the UK will be free. Free to starve, in the cold and dark while the population turn into a chav version of mad max.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Immigrants bad! EU Complex! Many people not white! Things today different than 1950 and I'm scared!

That's probably giving the leave argument more nuance than they've bothered with.

Lets not forget the shape of bananas. Honestly, with an electorate this fucking retarded the only thing stopping the left from straight up taking control of their brains and working them with joypads is some irrelevant and self defeating sense of morality. They'll end up getting eaten by the shambling abominations they're insisting on treating like human beings.

I have 101 plans for the future at any given time. Right now 99.9% involve me watching the whole thing and laughing my tits off, with an icepick closeby just in case some poor deluded fuckhead mistakes me for a member of the other side.

[Faust]

Right I know I've harped on about the NI issue, but this one is really annoying me. Milk and the best quality beef in Europe is one of Irelands popular exports

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/brexit-blockade-uk-giant-wants-ban-on-irish-meat-35679027.html

Ok fine, shots fired and it appears to be with a misguided attempt to support British trade. It will hurt the Irish economy, which sucks but we will get over it, probably have to sell it for less in mainland Europe.

Northern Ireland however appears to have hit bit this crazy decision. NI which is part of the UK, is now being told it cant sell to the rest of its own country because Brexit? I don't know if you know much about NI but its a grim fucking place, ship building industry there went the way of the Titanic, the weather is awful, they don't have an awful lot going for them... Apart from agriculture. I always take the nationalist rhetoric of the SNP with a touch of salt, but Sturgeon is right when she talks about England fucking the whole union under the bus.

[Cain]

There's also the question of what Ireland would want to ban in return, if we were stupid enough to do this, and do we really want to go down the route of tit-for-tat trading disputes with our closest trading partners?

[P3nT4gR4m]

There's also the question of what Ireland would want to ban in return, if we were stupid enough to do this, and do we really want to go down the route of tit-for-tat trading disputes with our closest trading partners?

Um... hasn't that particular horse already left the station? 

[Faust]

Listen, sorry to spring this on you, but we've discussed this amongst ourselves, we're going to take back our big brother winners. You can keep Jedward though

[P3nT4gR4m]

Thank fuck, I've already eaten one of them

[Cain]

Jed or Ward?

[P3nT4gR4m]

Dunno. The one that tasted like chicken

[Junkenstein]

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

Interesting article. A little tinfoil here and there but looks like decent journalism. Some familiar names and links so I'm not inclined to dismiss it out of hand. Also bodes ill for the US/UK over the short to mid term future. Long term if it's not addressed.

[Cain]

I've been following this lead with some people for a while now.  It's pretty accurate, but there is also, interestingly, a significant amount of Ukrainian and Russian investor money floating around SCL and Cambridge Analytica.

[Junkenstein]

Good to know, will keep an eye on this.

Labour manifesto leaked, accusations it will "take us back to the 1970s". Tory objection seems to be this isn't far enough and we need to get back to the glory days of the 1870s.

[Cain]

There's also rumours swirling that if Labour lose the election and Corbyn refuses to stand down, that moderate Labour MPs will split and create their own party.

Naturally, this is only being reported in the Tory press.