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UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?

Started by Vanadium Gryllz, February 23, 2016, 02:54:34 PM

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Welcome to UK politics and to a wider indictment of human nature - The lengths a rabid power junkie will go to, to hang onto their fix. Honestly, you want to assassinate Theresa May with no comeback? Just explain to her that the wall outlet dispenses power and then sit back and watch her electrocute herself trying to suck it out.

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Faust

The UK has been approaching different nations to drum up support for a time locked backstop, some dodgy polish foreign minister has been the only one to bite so far and I suspect it cost a lot to get him to do so.
What state are we currently in, IIRC it was counting down the clock so that may can try force her deal on everyone again march 29th?
Sleepless nights at the chateau

Cain

I mean, we've been running interference for the Polish and Hungarian governments because they hate the EU just as much as we do.

That we're begging help off of two of the worst regimes in the Eurozone is a) pretty telling in and of itself, and b) will just piss off everyone else even more.

Faust

There are probably other stellar regimes out there to endorse the current path:

"The UK does not need trade deals, it can be self sufficient and adopt the policy of Juche"
-NK leader and or Jacob Reese Mogg.
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Cain

Labour have decided, a day late and a dollar short, that they want a second referendum.

May has said "lolno".

The Brexit minister has said there's no guarantee that the EU will even agree to an extension of Article 50, if Parliament goes ahead with it.

The EU has warned that in the event of there being no deal, the EU will have to impose a hard border in Northern Ireland.

My bedroom is slowly filling with pasta and tinned food.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Cain on January 22, 2019, 04:50:31 PM
Labour have decided, a day late and a dollar short, that they want a second referendum.

May has said "lolno".

The Brexit minister has said there's no guarantee that the EU will even agree to an extension of Article 50, if Parliament goes ahead with it.

The EU has warned that in the event of there being no deal, the EU will have to impose a hard border in Northern Ireland.

My bedroom is slowly filling with pasta and tinned food.

I thought the EU said nothing matters until March?
Molon Lube

Cain

It doesn't.  They are talking about what happens in March, without a deal.

But, well, things have to start moving now.  France has already activated it's own "No Deal" planning, Ireland and the Netherlands will soon follow suit.  Markets are looking nervous...if anything the EU should be shouting louder.

UK civil servants are also being seconded to departments where they will be needed to deal with the fallout of Brexit.  Borders, education, health...it's crippling departments like the Treasury.

But tHe WiLl Of TeH pEoPleE!

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Cain on January 22, 2019, 06:32:34 PM
It doesn't.  They are talking about what happens in March, without a deal.

But, well, things have to start moving now.  France has already activated it's own "No Deal" planning, Ireland and the Netherlands will soon follow suit.  Markets are looking nervous...if anything the EU should be shouting louder.

UK civil servants are also being seconded to departments where they will be needed to deal with the fallout of Brexit.  Borders, education, health...it's crippling departments like the Treasury.

But tHe WiLl Of TeH pEoPleE!

How many people favor a second referendum right now?
Molon Lube

LMNO

A Brit in my office explained it like, "It doesn't matter, the people voted to leave.  It would be like the US asking for a do-over on the 2016 election in 2018."

Doktor Howl

Quote from: LMNO on January 22, 2019, 07:05:40 PM
A Brit in my office explained it like, "It doesn't matter, the people voted to leave.  It would be like the US asking for a do-over on the 2016 election in 2018."

Except that this is a non-binding resolution.  Hell, Parliament can just say "we're not doing this."
Molon Lube

Cain

Quote from: Doktor Howl on January 22, 2019, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 22, 2019, 07:05:40 PM
A Brit in my office explained it like, "It doesn't matter, the people voted to leave.  It would be like the US asking for a do-over on the 2016 election in 2018."

Except that this is a non-binding resolution.  Hell, Parliament can just say "we're not doing this."

Lots of MPs would lose their seats though.  Most MPs are against a hard Brexit, and always have been.  But they're completely spineless on this issue.

And there is a growing call for a 2nd referendum, but I fear that a) little has actually changed and b) the actual questions to be asked are still to be determined.


Cain

And then this happened

https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1087691731095699456  :lulz:

QuoteAny attempts by Remainer MPs to delay or obstruct #Brexit must be opposed. Today I have formally asked Polish Government to veto any motions by EU to allow extension of Article 50. We are leaving 11pm on March 29th as promised @StandUp4Brexit

Colluding with a foreign government, to potentially thwart the will of Parliament....there's a word for that, its right on the tip of my tongue....

Cain

Quote from: Cain on January 22, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
And then this happened

https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1087691731095699456  :lulz:

QuoteAny attempts by Remainer MPs to delay or obstruct #Brexit must be opposed. Today I have formally asked Polish Government to veto any motions by EU to allow extension of Article 50. We are leaving 11pm on March 29th as promised @StandUp4Brexit

Colluding with a foreign government, to potentially thwart the will of Parliament....there's a word for that, its right on the tip of my tongue....


Doktor Howl

Quote from: Cain on January 22, 2019, 07:32:58 PM
And then this happened

https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1087691731095699456  :lulz:

QuoteAny attempts by Remainer MPs to delay or obstruct #Brexit must be opposed. Today I have formally asked Polish Government to veto any motions by EU to allow extension of Article 50. We are leaving 11pm on March 29th as promised @StandUp4Brexit

Colluding with a foreign government, to potentially thwart the will of Parliament....there's a word for that, its right on the tip of my tongue....

Isn't that why you guys have Traitor's Gate?
Molon Lube

Faust

#1154
Quote from: Doktor Howl on January 22, 2019, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO on January 22, 2019, 07:05:40 PM
A Brit in my office explained it like, "It doesn't matter, the people voted to leave.  It would be like the US asking for a do-over on the 2016 election in 2018."

Except that this is a non-binding resolution.  Hell, Parliament can just say "we're not doing this."
The leavers argument was "It was an instruction to parliament". Coming from a country that they have chained referendums; in light of new information a more detailed choice is presented.

The first was "Should the UK leave the EU", the next should be:
Remain
Deal
No deal
Extend and re open negotiation.

Ireland prepared for the EU saying a border would need to be imposed. The UK have treated the position as a threat or negotiation tactic;
Ireland will be effectively quarantining its own economy. We wont put in a border, we will increase checks at sea and on movement of people to and from Europe. Goods will need a certificate of origin from here when exporting to the EU.
If this satisfies to them that it protects the customs union it will limit the damage.
It will be catastrophic to both economies, the difference is, Ireland can gradually rebuild over a decade or two, the UK will face permanent veto to anything other then WTO with its closest and largest trading partner (the EU). In five years, ten years, twenty, the demonstration that Ireland wont accept any ideological partition of the country should be complete and the backstop should seem a comparatively small price to pay.
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