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Started by Meunster, April 20, 2016, 01:04:25 AM

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Pergamos

As far as moral integrity goes work is filthy.  Work as a clerk at a retail store?  You are the endpoint, connection to consumer of a process that is extremely environmentally destructive and involves child labor and brutal exploitation of the impoverished in Asia.  I can't condemn you for that, the system is set up so that to survive we have to participate in the destruction of people and ecosystems.  A few people are innocent in their labor, and it is less than you think, but they can't avoid it in their consumption.

The Good Reverend Roger

I'm not going to argue this any further.  I have stated my case.
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POFP

Quote from: Choppas an' Sluggas on April 25, 2016, 05:01:27 AM
Quote from: Fernando Poo on April 25, 2016, 12:36:44 AM

I'm not sure we disagree as much as you think. I think the confusion may be due to my lack of clarification, or a difference in definition of "Defense of moral integrity."

This should probably be addressed in explicit terms, because while I see where you're coming from with the rest of your post, I don't see how it's okay to judge them for what may be different abilities and coping skills and thought processes.

I hold all people to a standard that some may call The Human Bean™. This standard accounts for difference in ability, coping skills, and processes, in the same way a standardized school test accounts for difference in intelligence and the like. It ignores them completely, because in the eyes of a standard, none of those things matter. If you can relate to your fellow man, and treat them the way you want to be treated, and assume everyone else is doing the same, then you are a Human Bean™. If you do not, or cannot, then you are not. I am ok with us disagreeing on this point, as I do not see either one of us hurting anyone because of this difference in ideology. I understand and respect what you've said.

Quote from: Pergamos on April 25, 2016, 07:32:07 AM
As far as moral integrity goes work is filthy.  Work as a clerk at a retail store?  You are the endpoint, connection to consumer of a process that is extremely environmentally destructive and involves child labor and brutal exploitation of the impoverished in Asia.  I can't condemn you for that, the system is set up so that to survive we have to participate in the destruction of people and ecosystems.  A few people are innocent in their labor, and it is less than you think, but they can't avoid it in their consumption.

You are fighting a Straw Man.

Why would morality reach beyond a system that is out of your control? Morality is based on choice, so why would something beyond choice be relevant to morality? You are not exploiting children in Asia. Buying the shirts they made is not an equivalent to exploiting those children in Asia or the environment.
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Quote from: Fernando Poo on April 29, 2016, 10:04:16 PM
Quote from: Choppas an' Sluggas on April 25, 2016, 05:01:27 AM
Quote from: Fernando Poo on April 25, 2016, 12:36:44 AM

I'm not sure we disagree as much as you think. I think the confusion may be due to my lack of clarification, or a difference in definition of "Defense of moral integrity."

This should probably be addressed in explicit terms, because while I see where you're coming from with the rest of your post, I don't see how it's okay to judge them for what may be different abilities and coping skills and thought processes.

I hold all people to a standard that some may call The Human Bean™. This standard accounts for difference in ability, coping skills, and processes, in the same way a standardized school test accounts for difference in intelligence and the like. It ignores them completely, because in the eyes of a standard, none of those things matter. If you can relate to your fellow man, and treat them the way you want to be treated, and assume everyone else is doing the same, then you are a Human Bean™. If you do not, or cannot, then you are not. I am ok with us disagreeing on this point, as I do not see either one of us hurting anyone because of this difference in ideology. I understand and respect what you've said.

I appreciate you further explaining what you meant.  Thank you.

CBXTN

Quote from: Meunster on April 21, 2016, 11:57:19 PM
Restrictions on porn is kink shaming. I'm being oppressed.

This is "generally" true!

Example: In 2005 after a guy died from being fucked by a horse, his friends were put on trial. Since there was no law against sex with horses and since there was no evidence of physical abuse, the group was only charged with trespassing. However, across the U.S. new legislation was passed criminalizing sex with animals. According to legislators, it was one of the quickest laws to pass because absolutely no one brought up counter arguments against the law. Instantly, sucking donkey dick can land you in prison.

With this in mind, it makes me curious about other types of "sexual deviancy" which can be quickly criminalized. Anything considered "weird" (outside the standard state-sanctioned sexual conduct) could be used as leverage against people.

CBXTN

As an addendum to the previous comment, I found this fun tidbit on Wikipedia!

"Wisconsin U.S.A. (2007) - Bryan James Hathaway was convicted for having sex with a dead deer. The court case raised some interesting legal issues because the statute prohibits sex with animals, but not with carcasses. The defense raised the issue that if a dead animal was an animal, at what point would it cease to be an animal?"

Prelate Diogenes Shandor

Laws like that disgust me. They're no better than the ones that were formerly used to harass and oppress homosexuals
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Pergamos

The difference, at least as far as a live animal is concerned, is that an animal can't legally consent.  I know the law in WA used to be against sex with a resisting animal.  I think that was changed after the fellow died of an overdose of horse dick.

Salty

 
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 29, 2016, 11:11:52 PM
Laws like that disgust me. They're no better than the ones that were formerly used to harass and oppress homosexuals

:spag2:

Telling you "No. No, that's idiotic" every time you need to be told that would be a full-time job.
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Prelate Diogenes Shandor

Quote from: Pergamos on July 29, 2016, 11:39:01 PM
The difference, at least as far as a live animal is concerned, is that an animal can't legally consent.

But by that logic it should also be prohibited for an animal to have sex with another animal.
Praise NHGH! For the tribulation of all sentient beings.


a plague on both your houses -Mercutio


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTGgpWmdZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWd7nPjJH8


It is an unfortunate fact that every man who seeks to disseminate knowledge must contend not only against ignorance itself, but against false instruction as well. No sooner do we deem ourselves free from a particularly gross superstition, than we are confronted by some enemy to learning who would plunge us back into the darkness -H.P.Lovecraft


He who fights with monsters must take care lest he thereby become a monster -Nietzsche


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q


You are a fluke of the universe, and whether you can hear it of not the universe is laughing behind your back -Deteriorata


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Pergamos

Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 30, 2016, 02:36:55 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on July 29, 2016, 11:39:01 PM
The difference, at least as far as a live animal is concerned, is that an animal can't legally consent.

But by that logic it should also be prohibited for an animal to have sex with another animal.

You want to prohibit predation too?  Rape is bad but murder is worse...

CBXTN

Quote from: CBXTN on July 29, 2016, 10:46:11 PM
With this in mind, it makes me curious about other types of "sexual deviancy" which can be quickly criminalized. Anything considered "weird" (outside the standard state-sanctioned sexual conduct) could be used as leverage against people.

Quote from: Pergamos on July 29, 2016, 11:39:01 PM
The difference, at least as far as a live animal is concerned, is that an animal can't legally consent.  I know the law in WA used to be against sex with a resisting animal.  I think that was changed after the fellow died of an overdose of horse dick.

You are right, animals cannot grant or withhold consent (I wrote briefly on the double standard of Zoophilia and Industrial meat in another thread, please check it out if you can).

But the general point I was making for this topic is that it is too easy to target a paraphilia and outlaw it - even if consent is involved. Doesn't Great Britain have a law which bans all types of necrophilic pornography, including fantasy necrophilia (like ridiculous films of people mating with sexy bodies covered in fake blood)?

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 30, 2016, 02:36:55 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on July 29, 2016, 11:39:01 PM
The difference, at least as far as a live animal is concerned, is that an animal can't legally consent.

But by that logic it should also be prohibited for an animal to have sex with another animal.

So, to you, humans are just animals, and nothing else.

That's pretty bleak.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Prelate Diogenes Shandor

Quote from: CBXTN on July 30, 2016, 04:09:45 AM
Quote from: CBXTN on July 29, 2016, 10:46:11 PM
With this in mind, it makes me curious about other types of "sexual deviancy" which can be quickly criminalized. Anything considered "weird" (outside the standard state-sanctioned sexual conduct) could be used as leverage against people.

Quote from: Pergamos on July 29, 2016, 11:39:01 PM
The difference, at least as far as a live animal is concerned, is that an animal can't legally consent.  I know the law in WA used to be against sex with a resisting animal.  I think that was changed after the fellow died of an overdose of horse dick.

You are right, animals cannot grant or withhold consent (I wrote briefly on the double standard of Zoophilia and Industrial meat in another thread, please check it out if you can).

But the general point I was making for this topic is that it is too easy to target a paraphilia and outlaw it - even if consent is involved. Doesn't Great Britain have a law which bans all types of necrophilic pornography, including fantasy necrophilia (like ridiculous films of people mating with sexy bodies covered in fake blood)?

That's why I like America. At least we still have a modicum of free speech, in contrast to many other places, even in the so-called "free world" (England and Austrailia come to mind)
Praise NHGH! For the tribulation of all sentient beings.


a plague on both your houses -Mercutio


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTGgpWmdZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWd7nPjJH8


It is an unfortunate fact that every man who seeks to disseminate knowledge must contend not only against ignorance itself, but against false instruction as well. No sooner do we deem ourselves free from a particularly gross superstition, than we are confronted by some enemy to learning who would plunge us back into the darkness -H.P.Lovecraft


He who fights with monsters must take care lest he thereby become a monster -Nietzsche


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q


You are a fluke of the universe, and whether you can hear it of not the universe is laughing behind your back -Deteriorata


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Prelate Diogenes Shandor

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on July 30, 2016, 04:40:41 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 30, 2016, 02:36:55 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on July 29, 2016, 11:39:01 PM
The difference, at least as far as a live animal is concerned, is that an animal can't legally consent.

But by that logic it should also be prohibited for an animal to have sex with another animal.

So, to you, humans are just animals, and nothing else.

That's pretty bleak.

I'm a cosmicist
Praise NHGH! For the tribulation of all sentient beings.


a plague on both your houses -Mercutio


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTGgpWmdZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWd7nPjJH8


It is an unfortunate fact that every man who seeks to disseminate knowledge must contend not only against ignorance itself, but against false instruction as well. No sooner do we deem ourselves free from a particularly gross superstition, than we are confronted by some enemy to learning who would plunge us back into the darkness -H.P.Lovecraft


He who fights with monsters must take care lest he thereby become a monster -Nietzsche


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q


You are a fluke of the universe, and whether you can hear it of not the universe is laughing behind your back -Deteriorata


Don't use the email address in my profile, I lost the password years ago