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LMNO

Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 02, 2016, 06:58:46 PM
:thanks: I am flattered

I'd even submit that to QG for Big Words.  I'd even buy a T shirt.

POFP

Quote from: LMNO on August 02, 2016, 07:00:10 PM
Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 02, 2016, 06:58:46 PM
:thanks: I am flattered

I'd even submit that to QG for Big Words.  I'd even buy a T shirt.

Thank you! That's encouraging. I used to love writing, and now I have a nudge to start again. Because I felt like content like the above was a daily occurrence. Not to sound pretentious.
This Certified Pope™ reserves the Right to, on occasion, "be a complete dumbass", and otherwise ponder "idiotic" and/or "useless" ideas and other such "tomfoolery." [Aforementioned] are only responsible for the results of these actions and tendencies when they have had their addictive substance of choice for that day.

Being a Product of their Environment's Collective Order and Disorder, [Aforementioned] also reserves the Right to have their ideas, technologies, and otherwise all Intellectual Property stolen, re-purposed, and re-attributed at Will ONLY by other Certified Popes. Corporations, LLC's, and otherwise Capitalist-based organizations are NOT capable of being Certified Popes.

Battering Rams not included.

LMNO

Sometimes, it's not the content, it's the distillation.

POFP

Quote from: LMNO on August 02, 2016, 07:18:30 PM
Sometimes, it's not the content, it's the distillation.

Good point. I will remember that.
This Certified Pope™ reserves the Right to, on occasion, "be a complete dumbass", and otherwise ponder "idiotic" and/or "useless" ideas and other such "tomfoolery." [Aforementioned] are only responsible for the results of these actions and tendencies when they have had their addictive substance of choice for that day.

Being a Product of their Environment's Collective Order and Disorder, [Aforementioned] also reserves the Right to have their ideas, technologies, and otherwise all Intellectual Property stolen, re-purposed, and re-attributed at Will ONLY by other Certified Popes. Corporations, LLC's, and otherwise Capitalist-based organizations are NOT capable of being Certified Popes.

Battering Rams not included.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: LMNO on August 02, 2016, 07:18:30 PM
Sometimes, it's not the content, it's the distillation.

Bingo.

I have always been able to write prolifically. Being able to distill 3 pages of process into one paragraph of hard, spare clarity is much, much harder. Sometimes it's important to include the process, as in when walking an audience through the logical steps to your conclusion. Other times, the process is just background noise that can either be cut entirely, or reduced to scaffolding for the conclusion. There is a great book called "Everything's an Argument" that I recommend for learning how to include effective elements of your process, without just dumping a bunch of what is essentially mental-byproduct clutter on your readers.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Prelate Diogenes Shandor

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 02, 2016, 05:43:03 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 02, 2016, 01:21:54 AM
Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 02, 2016, 01:11:51 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 02, 2016, 01:09:18 AM
Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 02, 2016, 01:07:32 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 02, 2016, 12:56:46 AM
Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 01, 2016, 11:39:59 PMBut when you subject yourself to long periods of time of hurtful, abusive sexual violence, you become desensitized, or you become attracted to such things. And when you do that, you start to become a bad fucking person.

This is an appeal to disgust and guilt, as well as a non-sequitur as I do not recall us discussing sexual violence, just pornography and zoophiloa and farm porn.

Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 02, 2016, 12:21:41 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 02, 2016, 12:09:27 AM
Appeal to emotion and appeal to consequences

It's illogical to do something that makes you hurt and or die because you're afraid.

It may be dangerous and therefore illogical but that doesn't make it wrong. For example, Is being a volunteer firefighter morally wrong? It's illogical. You're exposing yourself to danger and not getting paid fot it

Last I checked, rape is sexual violence.

I don't recall rape being mentioned in the conversation

So you don't see sex with non-consenting animals as rape. Good to know.

What if the animal clearly wants it, or at least clearly doesn't not want it?

I used to think that you were just young and could learn, but it's been years without change and at this point it is pretty clear that you're just hopelessly stupid.

Why should the animal care where the peanutbutter it's licking is?
Praise NHGH! For the tribulation of all sentient beings.


a plague on both your houses -Mercutio


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTGgpWmdZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWd7nPjJH8


It is an unfortunate fact that every man who seeks to disseminate knowledge must contend not only against ignorance itself, but against false instruction as well. No sooner do we deem ourselves free from a particularly gross superstition, than we are confronted by some enemy to learning who would plunge us back into the darkness -H.P.Lovecraft


He who fights with monsters must take care lest he thereby become a monster -Nietzsche


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q


You are a fluke of the universe, and whether you can hear it of not the universe is laughing behind your back -Deteriorata


Don't use the email address in my profile, I lost the password years ago

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 02, 2016, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 02, 2016, 05:43:03 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 02, 2016, 01:21:54 AM
Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 02, 2016, 01:11:51 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 02, 2016, 01:09:18 AM
Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 02, 2016, 01:07:32 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 02, 2016, 12:56:46 AM
Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 01, 2016, 11:39:59 PMBut when you subject yourself to long periods of time of hurtful, abusive sexual violence, you become desensitized, or you become attracted to such things. And when you do that, you start to become a bad fucking person.

This is an appeal to disgust and guilt, as well as a non-sequitur as I do not recall us discussing sexual violence, just pornography and zoophiloa and farm porn.

Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 02, 2016, 12:21:41 AM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 02, 2016, 12:09:27 AM
Appeal to emotion and appeal to consequences

It's illogical to do something that makes you hurt and or die because you're afraid.

It may be dangerous and therefore illogical but that doesn't make it wrong. For example, Is being a volunteer firefighter morally wrong? It's illogical. You're exposing yourself to danger and not getting paid fot it

Last I checked, rape is sexual violence.

I don't recall rape being mentioned in the conversation

So you don't see sex with non-consenting animals as rape. Good to know.

What if the animal clearly wants it, or at least clearly doesn't not want it?

I used to think that you were just young and could learn, but it's been years without change and at this point it is pretty clear that you're just hopelessly stupid.

Why should the animal care where the peanutbutter it's licking is?

We have just reached Babylon Horuv levels of ick.

Congratulations. 
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

POFP

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 02, 2016, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO on August 02, 2016, 07:18:30 PM
Sometimes, it's not the content, it's the distillation.

Bingo.

I have always been able to write prolifically. Being able to distill 3 pages of process into one paragraph of hard, spare clarity is much, much harder. Sometimes it's important to include the process, as in when walking an audience through the logical steps to your conclusion. Other times, the process is just background noise that can either be cut entirely, or reduced to scaffolding for the conclusion. There is a great book called "Everything's an Argument" that I recommend for learning how to include effective elements of your process, without just dumping a bunch of what is essentially mental-byproduct clutter on your readers.

I am definitely gonna have to add that to my reading list. If there were a such thing as a writing doctor, that sounds like it would be the winning prescription for me.
This Certified Pope™ reserves the Right to, on occasion, "be a complete dumbass", and otherwise ponder "idiotic" and/or "useless" ideas and other such "tomfoolery." [Aforementioned] are only responsible for the results of these actions and tendencies when they have had their addictive substance of choice for that day.

Being a Product of their Environment's Collective Order and Disorder, [Aforementioned] also reserves the Right to have their ideas, technologies, and otherwise all Intellectual Property stolen, re-purposed, and re-attributed at Will ONLY by other Certified Popes. Corporations, LLC's, and otherwise Capitalist-based organizations are NOT capable of being Certified Popes.

Battering Rams not included.

Prelate Diogenes Shandor

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 02, 2016, 09:38:01 PM
We have just reached Babylon Horuv levels of ick.

Congratulations.

And yet that doesn't prove anything.

If we dictated morality by ick factor we'd still be oppressing homosexuals and fat people.
Praise NHGH! For the tribulation of all sentient beings.


a plague on both your houses -Mercutio


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTGgpWmdZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWd7nPjJH8


It is an unfortunate fact that every man who seeks to disseminate knowledge must contend not only against ignorance itself, but against false instruction as well. No sooner do we deem ourselves free from a particularly gross superstition, than we are confronted by some enemy to learning who would plunge us back into the darkness -H.P.Lovecraft


He who fights with monsters must take care lest he thereby become a monster -Nietzsche


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q


You are a fluke of the universe, and whether you can hear it of not the universe is laughing behind your back -Deteriorata


Don't use the email address in my profile, I lost the password years ago

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 02, 2016, 11:25:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 02, 2016, 09:38:01 PM
We have just reached Babylon Horuv levels of ick.

Congratulations.

And yet that doesn't prove anything.

If we dictated morality by ick factor we'd still be oppressing homosexuals and fat people.

Can homosexuals give affirmative consent?

Fuck it, you disgust me too much.  I'm out.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 02, 2016, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 02, 2016, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO on August 02, 2016, 07:18:30 PM
Sometimes, it's not the content, it's the distillation.

Bingo.

I have always been able to write prolifically. Being able to distill 3 pages of process into one paragraph of hard, spare clarity is much, much harder. Sometimes it's important to include the process, as in when walking an audience through the logical steps to your conclusion. Other times, the process is just background noise that can either be cut entirely, or reduced to scaffolding for the conclusion. There is a great book called "Everything's an Argument" that I recommend for learning how to include effective elements of your process, without just dumping a bunch of what is essentially mental-byproduct clutter on your readers.

I am definitely gonna have to add that to my reading list. If there were a such thing as a writing doctor, that sounds like it would be the winning prescription for me.

Right on!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


CBXTN

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 02, 2016, 05:40:24 PM
Quote from: Fernando Poo on August 01, 2016, 11:39:59 PM
Quote from: CBXTN on August 01, 2016, 05:08:06 AM
Quote from: Freeky on August 01, 2016, 04:31:57 AM
QuoteBut, considering the legacy of Discordians, I thought the point of a discordian forum was to consider many types of view points rather than seek the "correct" or "ethical" answer.


There is just so much wrong here, and every time I see this sentence it makes me wanna scream and headbutt someone to death.
My body is a squirming tower of molecular animals randomly generated by the quirks of perpetual chemical reactions, and they probably don't care what kind of porn I watch.

Yeah, the cells don't care. Because they don't have feelings. But when you subject yourself to long periods of time of hurtful, abusive sexual violence, you become desensitized, or you become attracted to such things. And when you do that, you start to become a bad fucking person. And when that happens, other "squirming towers of molecular animals" will beat you to a pulp with bar stools, or put you in the fucking ground if you actually hurt someone.

As someone who's known many people to go down that road and live that life, and stray temporarily down that path myself, I assure you it is a mistake. And let me explain why that is, in a morally blank manner:

You go down that path, you die in prison, or worse. Pretend to be some emotionless observer-being of logic all you want, it doesn't make a difference to people. Your logic will die with you, bloody and alone. Look at the world emptily, and it will gladly return the favor.

This is a great example of clarity of thought and conciseness of writing. Laying the smack down; boom. Well done.

Yeah, that was a pretty good explanation~! very concise and clear 

Don't get me wrong, we definitely should be respectful of everyone's humanity. I'm just prodding and poking around for different types of viewpoints rather than a humanist one.

On another note,
My question about if you eat meat was regarding the sexual abuse of animals in the meat industry.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: CBXTN on August 03, 2016, 04:16:04 AM

Don't get me wrong, we definitely should be respectful of everyone's humanity. I'm just prodding and poking around for different types of viewpoints rather than a humanist one.


Try the republicans and/or libertarians.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

CBXTN

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 03, 2016, 04:22:28 AM
Quote from: CBXTN on August 03, 2016, 04:16:04 AM

Don't get me wrong, we definitely should be respectful of everyone's humanity. I'm just prodding and poking around for different types of viewpoints rather than a humanist one.


Try the republicans and/or libertarians.

hahaha

***

I'm kinda veering more into the object-oriented ontology direction

POFP

Quote from: CBXTN on August 03, 2016, 04:16:04 AM
Yeah, that was a pretty good explanation~! very concise and clear 

Don't get me wrong, we definitely should be respectful of everyone's humanity. I'm just prodding and poking around for different types of viewpoints rather than a humanist one.

On another note,
My question about if you eat meat was regarding the sexual abuse of animals in the meat industry.

Thank you.

And I already expressed my feelings on that subject in your first post on the forum. I don't think supporting zoophilia is the answer. Changing the meat industry is.
This Certified Pope™ reserves the Right to, on occasion, "be a complete dumbass", and otherwise ponder "idiotic" and/or "useless" ideas and other such "tomfoolery." [Aforementioned] are only responsible for the results of these actions and tendencies when they have had their addictive substance of choice for that day.

Being a Product of their Environment's Collective Order and Disorder, [Aforementioned] also reserves the Right to have their ideas, technologies, and otherwise all Intellectual Property stolen, re-purposed, and re-attributed at Will ONLY by other Certified Popes. Corporations, LLC's, and otherwise Capitalist-based organizations are NOT capable of being Certified Popes.

Battering Rams not included.