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Looks like Jo Cox MP was assassinated

Started by Cain, June 16, 2016, 06:03:53 PM

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Cain

BBC's not reporting it so far, but according to several eyewitness reports, the killer shouted "Britain First" repeatedly as he attacked her with the knife and what sounds like a home-made gun.

Q. G. Pennyworth


The Good Reverend Roger

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

Britain First is denying any responsibility for this.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cain on June 16, 2016, 06:43:19 PM
Britain First is denying any responsibility for this.

Expect a disaffected nut who was showing Britain First how things get managed.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

Or maybe not.

QuoteMr. Cameron told the BBC that "we've lost a star," and said, "It's right that we're suspending campaigning activity in this referendum."
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Junkenstein

Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

Cain

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 16, 2016, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 16, 2016, 06:43:19 PM
Britain First is denying any responsibility for this.

Expect a disaffected nut who was showing Britain First how things get managed.

Well Britain First does try to recruit military personnel, uses paramilitary uniforms and sets up "Christian patrols".  They also describe the EU as a godless, socialist, tyrannical superstate...so I wouldn't be surprised if this was a current member or admirer.

Cain

Her assassin, Thomas Mair, appears to have been a member of the Springbok Club, a group which...you may have guessed already...supported apartheid in South Africa.

He was also signed up to the Cyber Springbok Club Newsletter, which, among other tiresome subjects, ranted about the "tyrannical EU project".

Lenin McCarthy


Vanadium Gryllz

But the Leave campaign doesn't have any shady ties or ulterior motives right guys? We just want to Make Britain Great Again  :kingmeh:
"I was fine until my skin came off.  I'm never going to South Attelboro again."

Cain

I don't think we can exactly tie this to the Leave campaign, except in the most general way, that their bullshit scare tactics give minor credence to the far-right's bullshit scare tactics which may have fed into this guy's thinking.

As Lenin McCarthy's link shows, the guy was subscribed to Neo-Nazi and South African white supremacist publications since the 1990s, both of which have highly negative views of the EU.  Even if Leave were running a completely sensible campaign, this probably would've happened.

MMIX

Quote from: Cain on June 17, 2016, 05:34:48 PM
I don't think we can exactly tie this to the Leave campaign, except in the most general way, that their bullshit scare tactics give minor credence to the far-right's bullshit scare tactics which may have fed into this guy's thinking.

As Lenin McCarthy's link shows, the guy was subscribed to Neo-Nazi and South African white supremacist publications since the 1990s, both of which have highly negative views of the EU.  Even if Leave were running a completely sensible campaign, this probably would've happened.


When asked to confirm his name in court this morning he said "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain". If the temperature of political debate in this country becomes any more febrile we may well spontaneously combust.
"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently" David Graeber

Cain

True.  This is exposing a lot of nastiness.

I quoted this segment from my dissertation the other day on Facebook, which seems somewhat appropriate to the situation:

QuoteFor Kundnani, a critical problem with handling counter-jihadist thinking is how elements of it are reflected in official statements and counter-terrorism policy of western nations, that "multiculturalism" and a conflict of values lie at the heart of the source of Islamic terrorism and counter-terrorism must reflect that. As such, the "central plank of a terrorist's narrative is shared by the heads of western governments", which has severe implications and repercussions for dealing with the ideological appeal of the counter-jihad. This strong emphasis on values, identity, culture and multiculturalism, as security concerns, clearly and directly parallels the arguments put forward by counter-jihadist writers – albeit in a generally less paranoid and more nuanced way by government agencies. Nevertheless, this focus, much like the mainstream media "supporting articles" mentioned by Lee, help lend credence to these views. These are then amplified by the media and thus lead to a situation in which the government's own position is being repeated back to them and appropriated by the far-right, creating "discursive opportunities for new far-right actors who ideologies significantly overlap with government discourse, and which are therefore harder to counter." Indeed, that they so closely hew to government policy means that these groups may be able to win a level of public support and acceptance that the Neo-Nazi far right would never be able to obtain. This could lead not only to the acceptance and growth of such groups, but also opens the possibility of "former" Neo-Nazis strategically moderating their message in order to gain more widespread appeal.

And crucially, as Kundnani makes very clear, these narratives and their focus on Muslim radicalisation also contribute to obscuring the sources of far-right terrorism, radicalisation and counter-radicalisation precisely because it roots terrorism discourse in a clash of identities and values, and where these problems are absent or significantly downplayed, the far-right as not seen as a concern, as was the case with the EDL and with the spectrum of groups in Rotterdam

MMIX

I am glad I am an old woman. I probably won't live long enough to see the worst excesses of the proletarian revolution that the smarmy pig-fucker has visited on us, but I am kinda sorry for my kids and grandkids. Oh, and you guys, too  :wink:. It is fascinating, in a grotesque way, to watch the "banality of evil" start to crawl across europe's face.

again

What a shame that Hannah Arend didn't live to see this. We are living in a social scientist's worst nightmare and wet-dream, watching helplessly [probably] as history repeats itself.
"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently" David Graeber