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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2016, 01:42:46 pm »
I got NEENER NEENER KOPYLEFT ISN'T A HOLY RIGHT even if some schmucks think its a HOLY RITE
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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2016, 01:49:20 pm »
So what, they are threatening to copyright the pd or something? Best of luck with that: defence of a copyright takes into account prior use and the PD is closer to public domain then Kopyleft.

Unless its a vague threat on all kopyleft projects claiming "Lol we can just rob you!?"

I still don't get it.

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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2016, 02:04:28 pm »
So what, they are threatening to copyright the pd or something? Best of luck with that: defence of a copyright takes into account prior use and the PD is closer to public domain then Kopyleft.

Unless its a vague threat on all kopyleft projects claiming "Lol we can just rob you!?"

I still don't get it.

Me either. It just made me feel vaguely grubby and uncomfortable reading it, but then I am a bit of a "words need to be free" weirdo.
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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2016, 03:10:31 pm »
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What happens when Goddess Discordia
messes with some not-so-innocent ponies?
Discordian furry porn, that's what!


Skimmed it and found it a little dull, but I just stopped reading as soon as I saw this shit. Picture not included.

There's also a couple of disturbing thornley quotes.

Little of value here to my eye.
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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2016, 03:17:58 pm »
Trix, you should really educate yourself on the Loveshade drama.  Just drop his name into the site search engine and go.

But to give you a hint, it involves...not cool views on underage sex dressed up in Discordianism, theft and self-promotion.

Ok, I tried.  I really did.  I read all seven pages of his posts from his profile.  I forum searched his name.  I google searched his name in relation to PD.com.  I read tons and tons and tons of posts.  I did not find this an enjoyable passage of time.  I saw lots of shameless self-promotion from a giant douchebag.  I saw lots of accusations of thievery and lots of pedo accusations.  I was however unable to find the source of either of those.

This was unpleasant, and my curiosity remains unsatisfied.   :argh!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcWLMkFmxck
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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2016, 04:06:43 pm »
So what, they are threatening to copyright the pd or something? Best of luck with that: defence of a copyright takes into account prior use and the PD is closer to public domain then Kopyleft.

Unless its a vague threat on all kopyleft projects claiming "Lol we can just rob you!?"

I still don't get it.


That would be their history.  Both Loveshade and Gorightly, who shamelessy swiped a bunch of Sondra London's stuff for his book.
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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2016, 05:47:50 pm »
Johnny Shellburn is a made up character of Thornleys, but I don't think that was Loveshade no. Think we might have just banned Adam Gorightly based on the takeover information on kerrythornley.com

Hm... I suspect sooner or later there will be a rather ironic war over the trademarkable bits around Discordia with at least some participants claiming it's somehow ok because "Kopyleft", others with issues about exactly where and in what context their shit gets posted or published. I hope it's later rather than sooner. I want to see how far we go with this "corporations are people" thing because that could be a LOT of fun if the paperwork is just right. An actual non-profit org "representative of the Goddess Discordia and Discordian Society" with proper governing constitution could be the most fun since the invention of the acronym NGO. Of course that would also be profoundly complicated and easy to get fucked over on if you're not SERIOUS about the paperwork and litigation side.

From the Intermittens:
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Kopyleft is a myth. Oh, sure, Malaclypse the
Younger aka Gregory Hill made the fourth edition,
the best known of Principia Discordia, kopyleft.
But as he himself said in the 1979 introduction to the
Loompanics printing of the fourth, this was because
he didn't want his intentions to be misunderstood --
i.e., he didn't want to be sued. He said some of the
underground work was likely copyrighted by
someone else, and claiming copyright to someone
else's work is grounds for a lawsuit, especially as
some parts used in the "collage" of a book were
owned by major corporations.

It goes on for about two pages of the author giving all kinds of Elders Of Discordia background that IDGAF about to support his point.

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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2016, 06:13:17 pm »
So what, they are threatening to copyright the pd or something? Best of luck with that: defence of a copyright takes into account prior use and the PD is closer to public domain then Kopyleft.

Unless its a vague threat on all kopyleft projects claiming "Lol we can just rob you!?"

I still don't get it.


That would be their history.  Both Loveshade and Gorightly, who shamelessy swiped a bunch of Sondra London's stuff for his book.
I haven't been keeping up with it. As for the ban you mentioned earlier I wouldn't ban on association, but I also am not taking a vote in these any more, it's yourself Cain and ECHs decision.

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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2016, 06:37:24 pm »
So what, they are threatening to copyright the pd or something? Best of luck with that: defence of a copyright takes into account prior use and the PD is closer to public domain then Kopyleft.

Unless its a vague threat on all kopyleft projects claiming "Lol we can just rob you!?"

I still don't get it.


That would be their history.  Both Loveshade and Gorightly, who shamelessy swiped a bunch of Sondra London's stuff for his book.
I haven't been keeping up with it. As for the ban you mentioned earlier I wouldn't ban on association, but I also am not taking a vote in these any more, it's yourself Cain and ECHs decision.

I didn't ban on association, really.  The OP's email is from kerrythornley.com, which is owned by Loveshade.
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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2016, 06:48:25 pm »
I backed a ban on that basis, just for everyone's information.

I'm also sure the owner(s) of KerryThornley.com is not Adam Gorightly, though they did email him to launch the site when it started.  The owners of said website have hidden their personal information via one of the more popular internet cut-out companies created to register a site for someone without their dox being on it.  It's a company very popular with fake news sites, not the "haha, Onion ripoff" news sites, but more the "Obama has just banned prayer in the military" type websites.

In short, it's the kind of company which doesn't really care what its clients do with the sites they register for them, and so is perfect for someone with something to hide.

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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2016, 07:01:11 pm »
Oh ok, so it's not Gogrighty, not really sure who it is, but likely to be Loveshade so.

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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2016, 07:04:07 pm »
Someone who has gone out of their way to make their identity anonymous and then immediately brought up a "jake" where we were (admittedly empy) threatened with a law suit.

Fuck them so, I don't care who it is if its not Adam.

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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2016, 07:09:29 pm »
Am I the only one who gets super irrationally pissed when someone talking about Discordian stuff feels the need to use real names instead of the fictional ones? Like, who seriously gives a fuck if Malaclypse was Greg Hill or seven people living in a PO Box? It's not only irrelevant to your point, it's antithetical to the entire notion of a pen name, like constantly calling Dr. Seuss "Theodore Geisel" like that's what he wanted because it sure as fuck wasn't what do you think pen names are for anyway asshole.
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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2016, 09:39:02 pm »
Am I the only one who gets super irrationally pissed when someone talking about Discordian stuff feels the need to use real names instead of the fictional ones? Like, who seriously gives a fuck if Malaclypse was Greg Hill or seven people living in a PO Box? It's not only irrelevant to your point, it's antithetical to the entire notion of a pen name, like constantly calling Dr. Seuss "Theodore Geisel" like that's what he wanted because it sure as fuck wasn't what do you think pen names are for anyway asshole.

It's to show what "insiders" they are.
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Re: "Intermittens: In the Beginning" is now available
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2016, 10:36:57 pm »
Personally I would wait to see if the user does anything destructive or problematic before breaking out the banhammer but I am not an admin nor a mod nor do I really care enough.

I read through the issue more thoroughly, rather than just kind of generally looking it over as before.  It seems well put together, and the style takes after the PD, and it includes a lot of silly which I personally have a large amount of respect for.

Unfortunately, none of the above makes up for the fact that it is also boring, uninteresting, clearly trying to namedrop all over the place, and worst of all, not funny.

As a Discordian Project, I was biased in its favor.  I really wanted to like it.  But it's not funny AT ALL.  Like, not one single grin, laugh, smirk, smile, chuckle, or whif of wit is present.

The Principia Discordia, which has the over-the-top silly vibe throughout, provided a couple dozen true laugh-out-loud moments for me, because I'm that easy to amuse by being silly.  Not so for this issue of intermittens.  There was no Holy(tm), there was no Funny, there was no Horrormirth, there wasn't even much Mirth, and what was there felt strained.

Also, now that I spend a very long period last night reading his tripe, I can say without a doubt this issue smells of that group strongly.

And the only PDer they mention directly in the issue (aside from Cram) was TGRR, who I doubt would want his name anywhere in that issue for any reason, given the background.

I still haven't seen why you guys call LS a pedo but he's definitely enough of a tool to avoid his BS.
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