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Started by Cainad (dec.), November 09, 2016, 11:55:27 AM

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Prelate Diogenes Shandor

Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:

No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.

A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.

Counterpoint. How about a conjoined twin who attempts suicide by overdose. Irrespective of your views on suicide should this be allowed?
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Cainad (dec.)

Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:

No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.

A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.

LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!

Are you bored? You must be really bored.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:

No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.

A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.

LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!

Are you bored? You must be really bored.

I think he got shown the door at his alt-right group.
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- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
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Cainad (dec.)

Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 12, 2016, 01:51:39 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:

No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.

A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.

Counterpoint. How about a conjoined twin who attempts suicide by overdose. Irrespective of your views on suicide should this be allowed?

That's a pretty interesting question with a lot of pieces to pick apart. If I wasn't really fucking tired from working all week I might be able to engage it properly.

Cainad (dec.)

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2016, 02:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:

No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.

A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.

LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!

Are you bored? You must be really bored.

I think he got shown the door at his alt-right group.

Ouch. :lulz: If THEY won't take you in, who's left?

Pee Dee, that's who!

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:31:25 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2016, 02:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:

No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.

A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.

LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!

Are you bored? You must be really bored.

I think he got shown the door at his alt-right group.

Ouch. :lulz: If THEY won't take you in, who's left?

Pee Dee, that's who!

In related news, Trump just fired Christie from his transition team.  Publicly.  :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Wizard Joseph

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2016, 02:34:51 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:31:25 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2016, 02:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:

No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.

A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.

LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!

Are you bored? You must be really bored.

I think he got shown the door at his alt-right group.

Ouch. :lulz: If THEY won't take you in, who's left?

Pee Dee, that's who!

In related news, Trump just fired Christie from his transition team.  Publicly.  :lulz:

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Cainad (dec.)

Isn't that like the second or third time that he's pooped on Christie's head ever since he got on board the Trump Train?

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He's pretty much their whipping boy.  He does have a lot of baggage



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Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:53:52 AM
Isn't that like the second or third time that he's pooped on Christie's head ever since he got on board the Trump Train?

Christie is like the nerd kid who does stupid shit for the older kids in the hopes of being accepted.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed)

Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:

No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.

A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.

LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!

Are you bored? You must be really bored.

Your argument applies to every trimester of pregnancy.

xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed)

Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:31:25 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2016, 02:28:39 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 02:24:41 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 12, 2016, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:

No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.

A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.

LOL So you would allow third trimester abortions on the grounds that "the fetus has no right to the womans body." Hello Ayn Rand!

Are you bored? You must be really bored.

I think he got shown the door at his alt-right group.

Ouch. :lulz: If THEY won't take you in, who's left?

Pee Dee, that's who!

PD is officially so asshurt they are making up headcannons where I lose.

PopeTom

Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:

No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.

A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.

You forget that, at least in the US, organ donation is opt-in.  Therefore even dead people would have more bodily autonomy that a pregnant woman if the anti-abortion people had their way.

A person should show that they are an organ donor before you agree to listen to their pro-life spiel.
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Quote from: PopeTom on November 15, 2016, 01:20:03 AM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on November 12, 2016, 12:09:01 AM
By way of illustration:

No person can be legally required to donate blood or part of their body. Even in the most ludicrous example you could think of: a drunk driver mortally injures someone and could save their life by donating blood. Even though the situation is their fault, isn't legally compelled to give blood. Those are extreme examples, and hundreds more that are far less intense exist. In none of them is a person required to surrender their bodily autonomy.

A fetus has no right to require the use of a woman's body for nine months of she doesn't want to. Even if she fucks 80 men a day without protection, who gets to use her uterus to gestate in is exclusively her decision.

You forget that, at least in the US, organ donation is opt-in.  Therefore even dead people would have more bodily autonomy that a pregnant woman if the anti-abortion people had their way.

A person should show that they are an organ donor before you agree to listen to their pro-life spiel.

Nowhere near far enough. To start with, the system should be opt out for adults. Massively increases the available supply and you now have to go out of your way to be enough of a self centered arsehole to fuck over some desperate living strangers after your death. Assuming laziness or apathy for the large part, it's a huge step forward, medically.

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