General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread

[Cain]

[Fujikoma]

According to Karl Rove, on Fox and Friends... Rove seems to think Bernie Sanders can beat Trump. While I personally think he's correct there, I have to wonder as to the underlying motivation. Is he giving his honest opinion? Or is he trying to sway the democratic party from nominating a potentially more-viable candidate? I'm unsure. (admittedly, I would love to see Bernie win, but to end this disaster of a presidency, the Democrats have to run the most electable candidate. I'm unfortunately not sure Bernie is the most electable candidate. Can he beat Trump? Sure, but potentially so could a shoe. No chances can be taken, so it leaves me with an unfortunate conundrum)

I just dislike how it always comes down to "the lesser of two evils", typically.

[Faust]

Is this a smoking gun? Please let this be a smoking gun

[Cain]

No, but it does illustrate that the President is a gigantic man-child.

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

According to Karl Rove, on Fox and Friends... Rove seems to think Bernie Sanders can beat Trump. While I personally think he's correct there, I have to wonder as to the underlying motivation. Is he giving his honest opinion? Or is he trying to sway the democratic party from nominating a potentially more-viable candidate? I'm unsure. (admittedly, I would love to see Bernie win, but to end this disaster of a presidency, the Democrats have to run the most electable candidate. I'm unfortunately not sure Bernie is the most electable candidate. Can he beat Trump? Sure, but potentially so could a shoe. No chances can be taken, so it leaves me with an unfortunate conundrum)

He's already way more electable than our last candidate due to the fact that the Republicans haven;t been running a continuous smear campaign against him for the past four years, unlike Hillary Clinton; If he wins he primary again he'll only have to face the usual amount of mudslinging. Also, the most likely way that Bernie would become the Democratic Party's candidate is by winning the Dempcratic primary; This will endear him to Democratic voters in stark contrast to the previous candidate who lost the primary but then was installed by the superdelegates in an ironic foreshadowing of their own later loss of the presidency on a technicality.

[Doktor Howl]

According to Karl Rove, on Fox and Friends... Rove seems to think Bernie Sanders can beat Trump. While I personally think he's correct there, I have to wonder as to the underlying motivation. Is he giving his honest opinion? Or is he trying to sway the democratic party from nominating a potentially more-viable candidate? I'm unsure. (admittedly, I would love to see Bernie win, but to end this disaster of a presidency, the Democrats have to run the most electable candidate. I'm unfortunately not sure Bernie is the most electable candidate. Can he beat Trump? Sure, but potentially so could a shoe. No chances can be taken, so it leaves me with an unfortunate conundrum)

He's already way more electable than our last candidate due to the fact that the Republicans haven;t been running a continuous smear campaign against him for the past four years, unlike Hillary Clinton; If he wins he primary again he'll only have to face the usual amount of mudslinging. Also, the most likely way that Bernie would become the Democratic Party's candidate is by winning the Dempcratic primary; This will endear him to Democratic voters in stark contrast to the previous candidate who lost the primary but then was installed by the superdelegates in an ironic foreshadowing of their own later loss of the presidency on a technicality.

Of COURSE you're a bro.  Shut the fuck up.

[The Wizard Joseph]

 

[Cain]

the previous candidate who lost the primary

She lost with 3.7 million more votes?

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

Damn.

I just checked and you're right.

I've been taken in

[Cain]

Well, credit for checking and admission of fault.

I would have to check this, but by pretty much every metric and way of determining the winner, Clinton would have won except by a superdelegate coup in favour of Sanders.  I'm not 100% on this, but if the Democrats used, say, the Republican method, or removed superdelegates altogether, or did it state by state with a weighting system based on population. I believe the outcome would be the same.

Don't get me wrong, Sanders did really surprisingly well in places. But his supporters combined the worst aspects of Ron Paulism and Obamaism in one extremely annoying and misleading package.

[Trivial]

 

[Doktor Howl]

Watching Barr collapse in front if the senate. 

[Faust]

That is amazing, he must have the attention span of a goldfish

[Cramulus]

I watched maybe 40% of the testimony. I feel kinda frustrated, mainly because I have zero faith that anything will come of it. Rule of law is dead, truth is dead, time to hop on your motorcycle and start taking people's sandwiches.

Also File Under: News Stories that Highlight the Structure of the System
I keep seeing headlines pop up about Sen. Mazie Hirono calling out Barr and demanding his resignation. It's another one of these places where "breaking news" is fuckin awful. Her Q&A was actually one of the least substantitive parts of the whole hearing -- she didn't ask any real questions, she just opined on what a shitheel he is. I guess there's some value in saying the emperor has no clothes, but it didn't actually do any damage. But it made for a lot of great soundbites, which feels like news to reporters.

All these ancient senators struggling to land a hit... reminded me of the Zuckerberg testimony. Mainly, a lot of grandstanding with little real force behind it. Occasionally, one of the younger senators manages to tease out an actual pressure point, but it's hard to see if any of it will penetrate armor.

I'll be real curious to follow the upcoming Mueller hearing. He has much more public credibility than Barr.


but mainly, it just feels bleak... I am pretty sure at this point that impeachment is a non-starter, all we're doing at this stage is hoping to demolish the reelection campaign.

[Cain]

I think the idea here is to get the impeachment ball rolling, to make the Republicans own Trump.

The House would likely pass it. Then Senate Republicans are faced with a choice. They will vote it down, but in doing so, they tie themselves to Trump. And many of them are up for election next year. The attack ads write themelves. Flip the Senate and it doesn't matter who wins the 2020 election.