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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Question for all you spags:

If you have an online friend and you are concerned that they might be bipolar, do you risk offending them and say something? Or let it be?
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Junkenstein

I'd suggest professional help. It may be ignored but at least you'll have tried and have a clean conscience should anything happen.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

The Wizard Joseph

I'm not qualified to answer that Nigel. If they need help then pointing that out is what friends do, on occasion it's the last act of the friendship.


Glad to hear Roger has worthy employment once more.

For my part been through several meetings and will be seeing a weekly councilor and am 2 days into a start up on a medicine called Rexulti.. I  really wish I knew who gets paid to name these things and how much. Have an appointment to get assistance applying for disability benefits next week. Otherwise just getting by finding cleaning the dojo I live above somewhat soothing and a welcome distraction. They have wifi, a fridge, cooking gear, and exercise equipment all available to me for my simple services in cleaning the facilities. I'm getting by.


In other news... I think this writer has a point.

https://medium.com/@emilypothast/the-weirdest-possible-universe-260fa064253e#.3tgs6njt8

I would need some of this "Golden Ticket" spoken of to be certain.
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P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 22, 2017, 04:07:23 PM
Question for all you spags:

If you have an online friend and you are concerned that they might be bipolar, do you risk offending them and say something? Or let it be?

Online friend? Doubt if it'd make a difference one way or another. Unless they're asking you. Upswing or downswing?

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

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rong

contrary to popular belief, bipolar people tend to commit suicide more often during the manic stage

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Junkenstein

Quote from: rong on March 22, 2017, 07:14:06 PM
contrary to popular belief, bipolar people tend to commit suicide more often during the manic stage

There's a sapolsky lecture on depression that goes into that really well. Think it was to do with psychomotive retardation (sp?) And coming out of that phase is the big danger point. Still depressed but now enough energy to do something about it, often not in a good way.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

The Wizard Joseph

Quote from: Junkenstein on March 22, 2017, 07:30:30 PM
Quote from: rong on March 22, 2017, 07:14:06 PM
contrary to popular belief, bipolar people tend to commit suicide more often during the manic stage

There's a sapolsky lecture on depression that goes into that really well. Think it was to do with psychomotive retardation (sp?) And coming out of that phase is the big danger point. Still depressed but now enough energy to do something about it, often not in a good way.

This is a big part of why suicide is considered a side effect of many antidepressants. There's a fatigue to knowing that shit will happen AGAIN. The manic phase is also when you're most likely to "snap" and act out violently towards others as well. Sometimes the compulsion to suicide is seen as a means prevent this or misguided means to "atone" after the fact. Sometimes a LONG time after the fact.
You can't get out backward.  You have to go forward to go back.. better press on! - Willie Wonka, PBUH

Life can be seen as a game with no reset button, no extra lives, and if the power goes out there is no restarting.  If that's all you see life as you are not long for this world, and never will get it.

"Ayn Rand never swung a hammer in her life and had serious dominance issues" - The Fountainhead

"World domination is such an ugly phrase. I prefer to call it world optimisation."
- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality :lulz:

"You program the controller to do the thing, only it doesn't do the thing.  It does something else entirely, or nothing at all.  It's like voting."
- Billy, Aug 21st, 2019

"It's not even chaos anymore. It's BANAL."
- Doktor Hamish Howl

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 22, 2017, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 22, 2017, 04:07:23 PM
Question for all you spags:

If you have an online friend and you are concerned that they might be bipolar, do you risk offending them and say something? Or let it be?

Online friend? Doubt if it'd make a difference one way or another. Unless they're asking you. Upswing or downswing?

Upswing. They didn't ask, or I would have just told them. It would be completely unsolicited and therefore potentially offensive.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: rong on March 22, 2017, 07:14:06 PM
contrary to popular belief, bipolar people tend to commit suicide more often during the manic stage

OH MY GOODNESS thank you for letting me know! That is certainly not a concept that was ever introduced to me in the five years I've formally studied neuroscience!












Just kidding, it was covered pretty thoroughly.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


LMNO


P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 23, 2017, 03:59:29 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 22, 2017, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 22, 2017, 04:07:23 PM
Question for all you spags:

If you have an online friend and you are concerned that they might be bipolar, do you risk offending them and say something? Or let it be?

Online friend? Doubt if it'd make a difference one way or another. Unless they're asking you. Upswing or downswing?

Upswing. They didn't ask, or I would have just told them. It would be completely unsolicited and therefore potentially offensive.

Lot of variables I'm not aware of but in my experience, manic phase - it'll be in one ear and out the other. If it goes in at all. Usually the time to mention it to me would have been after the party but by then the damage is done. Tough call. You're Nigel. Go with your instincts.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 24, 2017, 12:30:03 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 23, 2017, 03:59:29 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 22, 2017, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on March 22, 2017, 04:07:23 PM
Question for all you spags:

If you have an online friend and you are concerned that they might be bipolar, do you risk offending them and say something? Or let it be?

Online friend? Doubt if it'd make a difference one way or another. Unless they're asking you. Upswing or downswing?

Upswing. They didn't ask, or I would have just told them. It would be completely unsolicited and therefore potentially offensive.

Lot of variables I'm not aware of but in my experience, manic phase - it'll be in one ear and out the other. If it goes in at all. Usually the time to mention it to me would have been after the party but by then the damage is done. Tough call. You're Nigel. Go with your instincts.

I think you're right about that... I don't think this is the time. I'll wait and see; if I'm right, the time will come on the downswing. Thank you!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Good Reverend Roger

So I got that validation thing worked out.  Stang needs content, I need to rant.  I rant, he reads them every 3rd week or so on Hour of Slack.  I wish I could verbally rant like that guy does.  Jesus.
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"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

Stang's definitely got a certain amount of style when it comes to delivery, and you definitely have the content.  Everyone wins

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2017, 05:33:34 AM
Stang's definitely got a certain amount of style when it comes to delivery, and you definitely have the content.  Everyone wins

Thanks.

Been meaning to talk at you, Cain.  I've recently been keeping bad company, mostly for cash.  Strategic forecast geeks in the local private sector (unnamed, but you know where I am so you know who I'm talking about)  So what they're interested in is what I call "Lazarus Bugs".  Imagine you had a bunch of little tags of whatever, attached to objects or people of interest, but totally inert.  Composite structures, no electrical signal higher than that of a human body, etc.  The tags just sit there, kept powered by a tiny kinetic energy recovery system, but totally dormant.

Until they receive a signal.  Radio works, but it requires the system to be able to actively listen for it, right?  I mean, a powered receiver.  Gives the game away.

But a particular frequency of sound could activate one, by high frequency noise "agitating" it, by bridging or breaking a dielectric membrane inside the tag, allowing the stored KERS power to reach the operational portion of the tag.  Tag wakes up/turns active, and then...Does whatever it was designed to do.  Track location.  Listen in on conversations and upload when in range of a wifi signal.  Embed polonium or VX or some other nastiness into skin.  Fall off with a few skin cells, for later collection.  Whatever.

Hell, it also occurs to me that you could make more advanced versions that people would unknowingly eat with their food.  A little extra spice in the curry, so to speak.  Or put into their electronic devices, that would render them useless or activate a spyware routine.  Shit, it's laughs all the way down with this little beastie.

Anyway, these buttholes love this idea, and so of course it occurs to me that a (non-paid) priority would be to find a method of killing these tags.  You can't take control of them because they're stupid.  They either activate or they don't, and they only have one response to exactly one stimuli.  They're composite-bodied, so you can't fish them out electrically or magnetically.  They're visible to the naked eye (a bit smaller than a tick, probably, but who knows?  Smaller, even...or way bigger), but there would be bags of them.  You could EMP the little fuckers, but it turns out that EMP is a not so non-lethal tool to use around people.

So I'm kinda stumped here, and I think a people solution would be more effective than an engineering solution.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.