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Re: ITT, We shit all over the future for SOCIAL JUSTICE!
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2017, 05:15:44 pm »
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 23, 2017, 05:10:11 pm
Quote from: LMNO on June 23, 2017, 01:04:53 pm
I'll be over here in the corner, quietly valuing our species.
Semi-nihilistic whinging aside, am I the only one who gets tired of the whole trope of "humans are the real monsters" thing in sci-fi? Like, I get that were shitty, but it seems premature to assume we're the shittiest thing to come out of the universe.  I mean we evolved this way, why wouldn't we assume some other species would evolve  down a similar path due to similar evolutionary pressures and be just as rapey and murdery and dicks as we are? Hell, what if we're not even that bad, all things considered? Who's to say the Orks from Warhammer 40 aren't on the other side of the Galaxy, being more war-like than could possibly be, on our worst day?

My view is we are doing what we are supposed to do, there are just too many of us. Nobody shits on elephants when they destroy all the trees around them... nobody shits on termites for building big mounds (unless they are in your backyard). We just took over the planet.
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Re: ITT, We shit all over the future for SOCIAL JUSTICE!
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2017, 05:24:18 pm »
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 23, 2017, 05:10:11 pm
Quote from: LMNO on June 23, 2017, 01:04:53 pm
I'll be over here in the corner, quietly valuing our species.
Semi-nihilistic whinging aside, am I the only one who gets tired of the whole trope of "humans are the real monsters" thing in sci-fi? Like, I get that were shitty, but it seems premature to assume we're the shittiest thing to come out of the universe.  I mean we evolved this way, why wouldn't we assume some other species would evolve  down a similar path due to similar evolutionary pressures and be just as rapey and murdery and dicks as we are? Hell, what if we're not even that bad, all things considered? Who's to say the Orks from Warhammer 40 aren't on the other side of the Galaxy, being more war-like than could possibly be, on our worst day?

I'm with you.
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2017, 05:29:12 pm »
But it's easier to say humans need to die than it is to address problems, because solving problems doesn't let you strap on your moral superiority and do your little turn on the catwalk.  On the catwalk yeah, I have the juiciest farts under the blanket on the catwalk.
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Re: ITT, We shit all over the future for SOCIAL JUSTICE!
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2017, 05:37:42 pm »
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 23, 2017, 05:10:11 pm
Quote from: LMNO on June 23, 2017, 01:04:53 pm
I'll be over here in the corner, quietly valuing our species.
Semi-nihilistic whinging aside, am I the only one who gets tired of the whole trope of "humans are the real monsters" thing in sci-fi? Like, I get that were shitty, but it seems premature to assume we're the shittiest thing to come out of the universe.  I mean we evolved this way, why wouldn't we assume some other species would evolve  down a similar path due to similar evolutionary pressures and be just as rapey and murdery and dicks as we are? Hell, what if we're not even that bad, all things considered? Who's to say the Orks from Warhammer 40 aren't on the other side of the Galaxy, being more war-like than could possibly be, on our worst day?


Like you say, it seems likely to that any organism that evolves naturally is going to be at least kind of an asshole. All our best and worst attributes exist because they, in some way, increased the odds of our survival and proliferation. So if there were to be a species that only exhibits altruistic traits, it would have to be engineered by a species that is, by nature, a bunch of dicks who would like to stop being dicks, but can't... because nature... and are capable of engineering a species that is the species it wants to be.

And then that species would need to off itself before it had a chance to destroy, corrupt, or enslave it's creation, which would be pretty easy to do.

It's also likely that the first species would find the second incredibly boring, and annoying, and have an almost irresistible urge to start bonking them with mallets pretty much from day one, so they would probably need to off themselves in a hurry.
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Re: ITT, We shit all over the future for SOCIAL JUSTICE!
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2017, 08:45:02 pm »
Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on June 23, 2017, 05:10:11 pm
Quote from: LMNO on June 23, 2017, 01:04:53 pm
I'll be over here in the corner, quietly valuing our species.
Semi-nihilistic whinging aside, am I the only one who gets tired of the whole trope of "humans are the real monsters" thing in sci-fi? Like, I get that were shitty, but it seems premature to assume we're the shittiest thing to come out of the universe.  I mean we evolved this way, why wouldn't we assume some other species would evolve  down a similar path due to similar evolutionary pressures and be just as rapey and murdery and dicks as we are? Hell, what if we're not even that bad, all things considered? Who's to say the Orks from Warhammer 40 aren't on the other side of the Galaxy, being more war-like than could possibly be, on our worst day?

Odds seem pretty high that the universe is full of assholes pretty much just like us. However, we aren't done evolving because evolution is an ongoing process, and presumably there are also people out there of various species who have evolved through the kinds of pressures that come from being a very successful species, such as the population and conflict crunch we have managed to put ourselves into, and come out better for it in the end, as I hope that we will also.
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2017, 08:45:53 pm »
Currently, however, our planet is overrun by self-obsessed colonialists, and that mentality really isn't ready for interplanetary communication IMO.
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2017, 08:48:22 pm »
Although, what do I know, I'm just the asshole over here who clearly doesn't value our species, because all I'm doing to save it is devoting my life and career to biomedicine in an effort to figure out how to solve some of our self-created problems so we can keep going for long enough to not fucking accidentally murder ourselves off.
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2017, 09:00:00 pm »
Right, humans are the best, which is why this conversation began with wanting to escape from them into a cold, unknown universe.

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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2017, 09:05:26 pm »
Well, technically it started with us debating whether or not some subgroup of liberals was spelling the end of the entire Democratic party, but it seems like we got bored of that and started talking about interplanetary colonization, which is more interesting imo.

Maybe this calls for a thread split?
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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2017, 03:38:36 pm »
A thread split is a great idea. Maybe call the new thread "The Lowest Common Denominator Goes To Space".
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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2017, 07:11:21 pm »
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« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2017, 07:33:48 pm »
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on June 24, 2017, 03:38:36 pm
A thread split is a great idea. Maybe call the new thread "The Lowest Common Denominator Goes To Space".

Speaking of which, anyone seen this "asgardia" nonsense?  All the rhetoric of seasteading but IN SPESS. The guys involved have absolutely no concept of the logistical impossibilities they face.
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« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2017, 07:42:16 pm »
Thread split.  I think I found a better title.  Chew on my entire ass.
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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2017, 07:50:01 pm »
So, let's get to it:  What horrible things should we do to people who have any hope for the future, and how can we properly shame them for their hope?

I feel that "lowest common denominator" doesn't quite do it.  Neither does "part of the problem" or even "shitlord".

How about "THE CANCER THAT'S KILLING THE GALAXY"?
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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2017, 07:59:46 pm »
I think I'm going to assume that the thread title chosen reflects the new tenor of the forum.

Have fun with that!
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