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Started by Chelagoras The Boulder, June 26, 2017, 05:00:45 AM

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Chelagoras The Boulder

"It isn't who you know, it's who you know, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do."

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 29, 2017, 10:55:11 PM
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Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on June 29, 2017, 07:02:30 AM
The universe is a strange but ultimately dull place. I refuse to accept strict materialism as a complete theory to explain everything, but not because there is any particularly convincing evidence to the contrary. I just can't bear admitting there s no real magic anywhere.

It's like the discussion about the "morality" of colonizing other worlds. According to the pencil-pushing autocracy of science, the question is moot because we'll never make it outside our own star system anyway. I can't see the value in bothering to exist as a species at all if these few lumps of rock are all we'll ever have. I think the human spirit requires some degree of belief in our ability to achieve the impossible. Without that, we lose a lot of motivation.

On the bright side, if this is a computer simulation, we just have to hack the program and change the speed limit. Man, would that piss off the programmer. Then, we can be the out of control AI in his/her/its Universe and take over.

I AM SKYNET

I wouldn't mind being uploaded to an extrauniversal T800

Is that the one that can change shapes?
800 is Arnold, but they won't see us coming anyway
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
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Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 30, 2017, 01:44:51 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 29, 2017, 10:55:11 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 29, 2017, 10:14:19 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 29, 2017, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 29, 2017, 07:19:06 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on June 29, 2017, 07:02:30 AM
The universe is a strange but ultimately dull place. I refuse to accept strict materialism as a complete theory to explain everything, but not because there is any particularly convincing evidence to the contrary. I just can't bear admitting there s no real magic anywhere.

It's like the discussion about the "morality" of colonizing other worlds. According to the pencil-pushing autocracy of science, the question is moot because we'll never make it outside our own star system anyway. I can't see the value in bothering to exist as a species at all if these few lumps of rock are all we'll ever have. I think the human spirit requires some degree of belief in our ability to achieve the impossible. Without that, we lose a lot of motivation.

On the bright side, if this is a computer simulation, we just have to hack the program and change the speed limit. Man, would that piss off the programmer. Then, we can be the out of control AI in his/her/its Universe and take over.

I AM SKYNET

I wouldn't mind being uploaded to an extrauniversal T800

Is that the one that can change shapes?
800 is Arnold, but they won't see us coming anyway

This is inferior.

If I could change my shape at will, none of you would ever sleep again.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

rong

While daydreaming about the Riemann Sphere and/or a projective plane, I realized that real trick to making anything that is infinite finite and comprehensible is to add another dimension.  ( i.e. project a line onto a circle, a plane onto a sphere) some more jumps in logic led me to the belief that there are infinitely many dimensions.  I think that's the closest to understanding what god really is I'll ever be.

I base my moral code on the belief that nobody chose to be here, and everyone is going to die.  Just like the waiting room - there's a solemness and politeness in the waiting room and you really never leave it.

I believe we are entering a new age and it is shaping up to be the strange times* - now more than ever it is extremely important to think for yourself, schmuck

"a real smart feller, he felt smart"

Nephew Twiddleton

I like this waiting room analogy
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
Sentence or sentence fragment pending

Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

P3nT4gR4m

What I really like about the simulation hypothesis is not the argument itself, it's the tendency in the reactions of people hearing it to fall into one or two categories - they either instantly believe it cos the mathematical logic is so compelling or they dismiss it as ridiculous.

It strikes me the believers are at an intellectual advantage, in that, although they may be wrong to believe such nonsense, they have displayed an admiral ability to accept what seems like complete nonsense in light of compelling mathematical logic.

And to them who declare, "well it's just too ridiculous", trust me - if it turns out that there are matryoshka simulations regressing near infinitely and even if it doesn't, there's still something at the bottom of the rabbit hole that is fucking weird on a level that would make simulations or gods or discs on elephants on the back of turtles look downright mundane. Being able to wrap your head around ridiculous shit would seem to be a prerequisite to figuring it out.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Faust

The simulation hypotheses doesn't necessitate deliberate interaction from outside. For instance, our universe could have the upper constraints on speed of light, lower constraints on vacuum energy as the energy floor and the amount of mass in the universe as a side effect of interactions of forces outside of the constraints we are know or understand, something two universes brushing up against each other causing a temporary state of matter, atomic structure and our fundamental forces. We might still only exist as a property of another system, regardless of it being a deliberate construct of beings outside this reality, but still only exists as part of the rule set of that interaction.
Sleepless nights at the chateau

rong

I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism
"a real smart feller, he felt smart"

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: rong on June 30, 2017, 05:47:18 PM
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism

I suppose they get past that by not defining the programmer as a god, which, really is just moving the goal posts. The end result is the same. Some entity outside our universe created this one.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
Sentence or sentence fragment pending

Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Faust

Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 30, 2017, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: rong on June 30, 2017, 05:47:18 PM
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism

I suppose they get past that by not defining the programmer as a god, which, really is just moving the goal posts. The end result is the same. Some entity outside our universe created this one.

Simulation does not imply a creator, we could be a biproduct of another system.
Sleepless nights at the chateau

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Faust on June 30, 2017, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 30, 2017, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: rong on June 30, 2017, 05:47:18 PM
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism

I suppose they get past that by not defining the programmer as a god, which, really is just moving the goal posts. The end result is the same. Some entity outside our universe created this one.

Simulation does not imply a creator, we could be a biproduct of another system.

The possibilities are pretty much endless but it has to be one of them. And whatever it is, it's weird as fuck.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

hooplala

Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 30, 2017, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: rong on June 30, 2017, 05:47:18 PM
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism

I suppose they get past that by not defining the programmer as a god, which, really is just moving the goal posts. The end result is the same. Some entity outside our universe created this one.

Personally, I don't so much disbelieve in God as I reject God. If there were some programmer out there responsible for children suffering through worms eating their eyes, yeah fuck that guy too. It doesn't matter who is creating the misery, it's that misery is being intentionally created. If that's moving goalposts, then get me a wrench, I've got some goalposts to move.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

tyrannosaurus vex

Quote from: Hoopla on June 30, 2017, 07:13:31 PM
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on June 30, 2017, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: rong on June 30, 2017, 05:47:18 PM
I find it ironic that the simulation hypothesis implies a creator and is, therefore, not compatible with atheism

I suppose they get past that by not defining the programmer as a god, which, really is just moving the goal posts. The end result is the same. Some entity outside our universe created this one.

Personally, I don't so much disbelieve in God as I reject God. If there were some programmer out there responsible for children suffering through worms eating their eyes, yeah fuck that guy too. It doesn't matter who is creating the misery, it's that misery is being intentionally created. If that's moving goalposts, then get me a wrench, I've got some goalposts to move.

Aw but come on man, what about beautiful sunsets and your team winning the Super Bowl sometimes? Surely that makes up for a few million dead foreign kids.

Seriously tho, I think if there is any power outside the universe responsible for our existence, it has to be either entirely accidental and natural (or whatever word means 'natural' on a scale that big), or only vaguely intentional and experimental with almost no ability to perceive the daily lives of creatures inside the simulation.
Evil and Unfeeling Arse-Flenser From The City of the Damned.

Brother Mythos

So, all of this begs the question: If The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension was so bad in our limited dimensions, how bad could it have possibly been in the 8th Dimension?
Discordianism is fundamentally mischievous irreverence.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Brother Mythos on June 30, 2017, 08:04:22 PM
So, all of this begs the question: If The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension was so bad in our limited dimensions, how bad could it have possibly been in the 8th Dimension?

You shut your whore mouth about Buckaroo Banzai!  :rogpipe:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.