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Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2017, 09:20:22 pm »
You've convinced yourself of a lie, but it seems like a harmless one so you do you.
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Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2017, 10:14:15 pm »
You've convinced yourself of a lie, but it seems like a harmless one so you do you.

And thank you for not being the least bit judgmental of my recollection.

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Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2017, 04:07:14 am »
You've convinced yourself of a lie, but it seems like a harmless one so you do you.

And thank you for not being the least bit judgmental of my recollection.

That's the whole thing about this "effect". Folks are SERIOUSLY arguing over these recollections. The total impact of the thing is much greater than just a description of the mechanisms of memory and its fallibility.

There are folks sincerely at odds over whether it's Oscar Meyer or the "current" name Oscar Mayer on their lunch meat or whether or not there was ever a hyphen in KitKat.

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Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2017, 04:14:00 am »
Just for posterity
The Mandela Effect is just false memories + the sleeper effect.


The mechanism is that when you imagine something that happened in the past, at first, your brain can easily tell the difference between the real memory and the imagined scenario. But that imagined scenario gets stored much like a real memory does.

Over time, the "metadata" decays--it becomes harder to distinguish the real memory from the imagined one. The weaker a memory, the more vulnerable you are to being misled by false memories.



like


Do you remember how it rained during your prom?

imagine that

imagine it really hard, visualize it, tell me some details about it




10 years from now, you won't be so sure it didn't rain.

Sounds like a nice, tidy, and perfectly sensible explanation. But is it correct in being "just" that? Surely some of the reported differences are just this or even full blown psychosis in action, but in your guts and expanded awareness you're working on are you certain?

Folks are willing to fight over this stuff. The bible stuff alone is enough to cause some serious Strife indeed.
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Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2017, 02:54:35 pm »
Mandela effect simply highlights one of the main problems with human memory. Unlike computer memory which is an actual thing and can losslessly store and retrieve data, human "memory" remembers practically nothing beyond a rough outline of vaguely accurate or utterly inaccurate crib notes, degrades like a motherfuckers over time and fills in the numerous blanks with totally made up bullshit every time it's accessed.

By the time you've remembered that hawt chick you saw the other night half a dozen times the chances are her hair is a different style and colour, her makeup is different and her clothes are different too. A year from now you'll find out she was actually a 40 year old fat guy.

Take it from me, if you don't write it down or take a photo then it probably never happened and it definitely never happened the way you recall it going down.
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Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2017, 05:25:13 pm »

I suspect another cause of the “Mandela Effect” may be outright, willful ignorance. And, based upon my own observations, military personnel are especially susceptible to believing, and propagating, “facts” that can be easily disproved.

For example, I’ve heard the story, at least a hundred times, that the battleship USS New Jersey could fire shells that were the size (Size always specifically meaning the physical dimensions of the shell, not its weight.) of a car. And, I’ve heard this story from sailors who actually served on smaller ships, mostly destroyers, that steamed with the USS New Jersey in its task force. Those particular sailors typically told the story as follows:

“This is no shit, the shells the New Jersey fired were so big, (How big were they?) we could see them flying through the air right over our ship! The New Jersey could fire shells that were as big as a car!”

(Do you know the difference between a fairy tale and a sea story? Well, a fairy tale begins with “Once upon a time,” while a sea story begins with “This is no shit.”)

Anyway, most of the time I let that story go in one ear, and out the other. But, every once in a while, I was told the story by some dumbass, redneck lifer, for whom I had developed a serious dislike. On those special occasions, my retort would usually go something like this:

“So, the New Jersey was equipped with 16 inch guns, right?” I would ask.

“Yeah, that’s what I told you, Obscenity. It had nine of them,” the lifer would proudly reply.

“And 16 inches is about like, this wide, right?” I would ask, while holding the tips of my index fingers about that far apart.

“Yeah, that’s about right,” the lifer would answer.

“And those shells were what, about five feet long?” I would then ask.

“Yeah, that’s about right,” the lifer would answer.

“So, 16 inches wide by five feet long. That’s not even close to being the size of a car. That’s more like the size of a little, six year old kid.”

Upon hearing that, the lifer would, typically, just stand there with a dumbfounded look on his face.

Typically, the same people, who told the above story, also claimed the recoil from the firing of a full broadside was so powerful that it would push the ship 1,000 feet sideways through the water.

Now, I never believed the USS New Jersey could be thrust sideways anywhere near 1,000 feet when it fired a broadside, but I did believe it could be moved sideways by some noticeable distance. However, as I came to learn much, much later, not one bit of that story is true either! (When it fired a full broadside, the ship wasn’t thrust sideways through the water at all!)   

I could list many more examples of “willful ignorance” in the military, but I think most people will get the idea from my above recollections.

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Re: ITT Mandela Effect fuckery biblical or otherwise
« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2017, 02:01:45 pm »
Mandela effect simply highlights one of the main problems with human memory. Unlike computer memory which is an actual thing and can losslessly store and retrieve data, human "memory" remembers practically nothing beyond a rough outline of vaguely accurate or utterly inaccurate crib notes, degrades like a motherfuckers over time and fills in the numerous blanks with totally made up bullshit every time it's accessed.

By the time you've remembered that hawt chick you saw the other night half a dozen times the chances are her hair is a different style and colour, her makeup is different and her clothes are different too. A year from now you'll find out she was actually a 40 year old fat guy.

Take it from me, if you don't write it down or take a photo then it probably never happened and it definitely never happened the way you recall it going down.

Even those things are apparently unreliabe is what I take as the real sticking point in the whole Mandela thing. It's taking your fallible ass memory and causing you to doubt the usual crutches as reliable.

The obsessive:
"God I could swear my baby was wearing red shoes the day I took this picture."
*Mandela Effect*
"HOLY SHIT I'M SO SHOOK BRUH MY DAUGHTER WASN'T WEARING BLUE SHOES THAT DAY I FUCKING KNOW IT!!!!!"

Or the schizophrenic:
"Holy shit they're summoning demons and shredding the fabric of reality at CERN!!"
*Mandela Effect*
"Holy shit they're summoning demons and shredding the fabric of reality at CERN!!!"

The attention whore:
My baby is just so darn cute! Look at her in her new jammies! #nightynight #lovemybaby
*Mandela Effect*
Come see ALL NEW Mandelas! My baby used to be a boy!! #AreYouWoke #shook #NewMandelas
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