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Re: Subjectivism and the chair
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2017, 04:09:06 pm »
Hi new person!

How can we possibly consistently evaluate anything's A-ness?

What about Uranus' A-ness? How deep does this A-ness hole go?!!

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Re: Subjectivism and the chair
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2017, 07:43:59 pm »
I can make a sandwich with poptarts or hot pockets, but they are not themselves sandwiches.

Is an open-faced sandwich a sandwich?

Because it it is, a poptart is a sandwich.

But agreed on hot pockets.  They are basically a more horrible than usual calzone.

An open faced sandwich is not a sandwich. Neither is a burrito, a hot dog in a bun, or a wrap.
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Re: Subjectivism and the chair
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2017, 10:36:32 pm »
I can make a sandwich with poptarts or hot pockets, but they are not themselves sandwiches.

Is an open-faced sandwich a sandwich?

Because it it is, a poptart is a sandwich.

But agreed on hot pockets.  They are basically a more horrible than usual calzone.

An open faced sandwich is not a sandwich. Neither is a burrito, a hot dog in a bun, or a wrap.

Who makes all these fuckin' rules?
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Re: Subjectivism and the chair
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2017, 12:39:43 am »
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Re: Subjectivism and the chair
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2017, 03:37:08 pm »
A=A because "A" is a game rule.

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Re: Subjectivism and the chair
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2017, 07:01:13 am »
A=A because "A" is a game rule.

There's always some shady chick from back east willing to homebrew the rules.  Drow PCs. Half-dragon templates.  Fucking sandwich-nerfing.
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Re: Subjectivism and the chair
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2017, 02:23:37 pm »
There are so many bullshit questions without actual answers about concepts and the nature of things that we can't be certain about chair-ness. How can we possibly consistently evaluate anything's A-ness?

Hi new guy!


So, for the most part, I'm with you - I operate with the premise that meaning and identity is something generated by us meat people in order to make sense of the chaos, not an inherent property of stuff in the universe. So meaning is best understood as a social construct. The best meaning is the one with the most operational utility - that is, the one that "best fits" our internal models of how the world works. A chair is a chair because we agree that it's a chair, despite that our definition of a chair is going to be fuzzy and have edge cases. There is no essential chairness somewhere in conceptual space. The physical chair is not an expression of some quintessential chair.

And if we connect the dots from that logic, we arrive in a (perhaps) terrifying universe with no inherent meaning. My man Camus says that this is okay, because our generated meaning is enough. Things can be meaningful for personal reasons, even if those reasons aren't some fundamental truth. Meaning is absurd, but let's dance with it anyway.



All that being said, I'm at a phase in my life where I am trying to find my way through the postmodern tunnel. I am exploring a reality tunnel in which there are capital-T Truths out there, however they probably don't have anything to do with the essential nature of chairs. I think there is a form of Meaning and Purpose which does exist, and it has to do with our relationship with the chaos/cosmos, and the edges of it can be discovered through self discovery.




It's a little tangential to your post, but I get the sense you may dig Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which unpacks Aristotle's analytical knife, the way he splits up the universe into distinct parts, and the deep rifts this has caused today (namely by cleaving apart the arts and sciences, rational and aesthetic, into different metaphysical categories)