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Is anyone here an advocate for non-violence?

Started by IPunchNazis, August 19, 2017, 03:25:40 AM

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Hagtard Celine Dion Mustard

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 23, 2017, 05:14:50 AM
You're autistic or something, right?

Ugh. Actually, I was asshole-drunk. Again. I think my doctor is about to order me to quit, though, since my liver enzymes are apparently through the roof.

Don't Jim Beam and Internet, kids.
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Pope Pelvis Flirtini on August 23, 2017, 07:00:17 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 23, 2017, 05:14:50 AM
Quote from: Pope Pelvis Flirtini on August 23, 2017, 03:16:37 AM
It's like you guys live in a world where posting the hat-guy-happy-face makes your point instantly valid.

Well, then.

:lulz:

You're autistic or something, right?  Not saying that's awful or anything, just honestly curious.

That's funny, because I assume something similar about you. Although I don't give you the benefit of one of the "cool" handicaps like autism, so I appreciate the compliment.

Okay.

Don't anyone say I didn't try to be at least mildly pleasant about this.
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Pope Pelvis Flirtini on August 23, 2017, 11:20:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 23, 2017, 05:14:50 AM
You're autistic or something, right?

Ugh. Actually, I was asshole-drunk. Again. I think my doctor is about to order me to quit, though, since my liver enzymes are apparently through the roof.

Don't Jim Beam and Internet, kids.

Yeah, we have a guy here called Rong who likes to get shitfaced and dump on people.

Had another person like that, come to think of it.  Smart, funny, best friend you ever had.  Until a bunch of booze comes along, then fucking Godzilla and nothing you ever did comes even close to being good enough, or even "simian".  That went on from 2009-2015.

Being an asshole "because you're drunk", for the most part, is just saying "Here's what I really think of you." 

I could be wrong. I will assume I am, this time.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Hagtard Celine Dion Mustard

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2017, 12:27:12 AM
Being an asshole "because you're drunk", for the most part, is just saying "Here's what I really think of you."

I think that only applies to friends and family. On the Internet it just means being a poor sport in an intellectual game of "Yo Mama".
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2017, 12:27:12 AM
Quote from: Pope Pelvis Flirtini on August 23, 2017, 11:20:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 23, 2017, 05:14:50 AM
You're autistic or something, right?

Ugh. Actually, I was asshole-drunk. Again. I think my doctor is about to order me to quit, though, since my liver enzymes are apparently through the roof.

Don't Jim Beam and Internet, kids.

Yeah, we have a guy here called Rong who likes to get shitfaced and dump on people.

Had another person like that, come to think of it.  Smart, funny, best friend you ever had.  Until a bunch of booze comes along, then fucking Godzilla and nothing you ever did comes even close to being good enough, or even "simian".  That went on from 2009-2015.

Being an asshole "because you're drunk", for the most part, is just saying "Here's what I really think of you." 

I could be rong. I will assume I am, this time.

fixt that for you
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: rong on August 24, 2017, 03:25:21 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 24, 2017, 12:27:12 AM
Quote from: Pope Pelvis Flirtini on August 23, 2017, 11:20:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 23, 2017, 05:14:50 AM
You're autistic or something, right?

Ugh. Actually, I was asshole-drunk. Again. I think my doctor is about to order me to quit, though, since my liver enzymes are apparently through the roof.

Don't Jim Beam and Internet, kids.

Yeah, we have a guy here called Rong who likes to get shitfaced and dump on people.

Had another person like that, come to think of it.  Smart, funny, best friend you ever had.  Until a bunch of booze comes along, then fucking Godzilla and nothing you ever did comes even close to being good enough, or even "simian".  That went on from 2009-2015.

Being an asshole "because you're drunk", for the most part, is just saying "Here's what I really think of you." 

I could be rong. I will assume I am, this time.

fixt that for you

:bacon:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

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Quote from: Cramulus on August 20, 2017, 02:48:22 PM
Quote from: IPunchNazis on August 19, 2017, 03:25:40 AM
When I first signed up, you all clocked me for what I was: a troll. But a few of you actually understood the joke: that my intention was to hold to you a mirror-image caricature of the seemingly addicted-to-violence mentality that pervades this board.

oh yeah, I said this:

Quote from: Cramulus on March 08, 2017, 05:10:27 AM
Alright let me put on my goggles. The "IPunchNazis" character is playing on the recent liberal uptick in antifascist violence. Essentially, satirizing the enthusiastic liberal nazi puncher who is swept up by the chest pumping tribal machismo which antifascism lets him express  dot dot dot, implying antifascist violence is more or less equivalent to fascism, dot dot dot, liberals are cuck hypocrites who only take a moral high ground against certain kinds of violence, etc etc. Okay that's basically the end point, right?

I merit there might be bait here for that argument. I would be curious to hear what the person playing this character thinks the proper use of violence is, like, how do you distinguish between "good" and "bad" violence? I would love to have that talk but I think they need the mask, so all we get is this kinda uninspired caricature troll.

eh what can you do

so I guess you're here for the latter part now? that's cool, I can roll with that.


Quote from: IPunchNazis on August 19, 2017, 03:25:40 AM
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Bottom line? Well, I sure like the idea of nonviolence, but I'm also not convinced that it can always solve things on its own. Nonviolent appeasement of Hitler sure didn't work.

So I now must admit that I have to consider that the aggressive and confrontational element is a necessary evil, so to speak, and that the problem cannot be resolved (I.E. the alt-right's agenda defeated) without it. Perhaps the far-right has indeed become a very real threat with another civil war on the horizon.

I am still, however, surprised to see so many Discordians hungry to participate in the violence. Are there any of you, like me, who aren't? Who would, if anything, attempt subvert it instead of willfully helping to immanentize it?

I appreciate the straightforward chat. I hadn't really thought much about antifa in the context of how Malcolm X slid the Overton Window left.

My perspective is - I don't think that violence is an effective long run strategy. What I've observed is that violent action is super effective as a recruitment tool for "the other side". It doesn't change minds. If I got punched in the face for my political beliefs, I wouldn't stop believing those things. In fact, I would probably justify them harder. If I continually feared bodily harm, I'd just go underground and get louder.

Punching nazis is forgivable when they are advocating violence & actively recruiting. Punching the peaceful but angry guy standing near the nazi--mainly counterproductive.

Exactly, you need to temper your aggression with passivity,

Violence will turn people away from you, as will, to a lesser extent, shouting and hard-sell propaganda. To give a personal example of the latter (inefficacy of hard-sell propaganda) I remember it was Jack Chick's pro Christian religious tracts that finally pushed me over the edge into not believing in Christianity anymore.

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Hi, I'm gonna say some stuff.
I'm a discordian, and I'm a pacifist. I said this already, but
Quote from: Chucklemaster on July 05, 2017, 03:44:02 AM
I'm a pacifist.
That term is loaded with far too much shit, so let me unpack what that means to me. Here, I've re-packaged it into a set of easily digestible bullet points:
I don't like violence.
I'm not going to begrudge anyone for using violence in self-defense or in defense of someone in danger, ESPECIALLY not if the person you hurt is a nazi.
I do not believe in an inherently moral universe.
I do believe that part of why I can tell a nazi to go fuck theirself instead of punching them and get away with it is because of the privilege this unjust society gives me, and understand that that is not necessarily an ability afforded to everyone.
If you punch a nazi, I'm not going to tell you you're a bad person.
When I see nazism being advocated for, I most certainly tell the nazi in question to fuck off. I will continue to do so until the time that they fuck off.
I will fuck with, drown out, and insult nazis all day long.
I am not advocating for everything to be done my way. Like I said, it can't always be done my way.
I endorse all non-violent driving away of nazis, and, like I said, am not going to bitch and moan if some nazis get punched in the process of getting them the fuck out.
That still stands, and, to add, I'm not going to diss anyone else's discordia for any reason. Especially not if your discordia coexists with being violent in order to stop nazis from hurting people. I won't do it, I won't even endorse your actions, though I'm not going to stop you, either.
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Are you asking is if we have a consensus on what our beliefs are?

I am of the belief that physical violence of any kind is theft and is unacceptable, but as a discordian I would not expect others to hold this belief.

To balance that though I believe certain idiologies have no right to exist because they are founded on philosophies that cause harm. This limp resurfacing of xenophobia married to faux nationalism though a dimestore knockoff brand is to be eradicated.
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Depends on what is meant by voilence. I'd just as soon see no aggressive deeds, but sometimes that preference is moot or inappropriate.

Pacifism is asceticism
Asceticism is for monks
A monk I am not, really
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No ideology deserves to exist. Ideology in itself is idiotic. Even the good ones are fucking retarded when it boils right down to it. Plus, on a long enough timeline, they pretty much all devolve into final-solution fuckery. Is why the moderate, reasonable voices of the left suddenly sound like a chorus of screeching retards when met with a competing one that their - can't we all just get along - worldview doesn't have an effective method of dealing with.

The universe looks on dispassionately. "Thou shalt not kill" is not a law of physics, it's an opinion shared by some people and most of them include caveats.

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Exactly, this relic of a failed ideology even moreso because Europe still bears the scars of just how damaging it could be, the only reason it's resurfacing now out now is because there's less and less people around who remember what happened in world war two and people are scared and fragile so they cling to the easy answers: close borders, pick on the different.
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Abstaining from violence is actually quite hard. You can say you don't want to hurt anybody and try to navigate into realities where you don't need to but violence still exist within you. As long as there's even a chance you could be manipulated into bloodthirsty mongrel, saying you are pacifist is essentially lying. Truly being pacifist requires you to acquire quadriplegia and still you can be running people over with your out of control wheelchair.

I'd rather say "I don't want to hurt you" to people than "I don't want to hurt anybody". It's a bit more personal so they might drop me some leftovers.
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Quote from: Frontside Back on October 23, 2017, 05:22:18 PM
Abstaining from violence is actually quite hard. You can say you don't want to hurt anybody and try to navigate into realities where you don't need to but violence still exist within you. As long as there's even a chance you could be manipulated into bloodthirsty mongrel, saying you are pacifist is essentially lying. Truly being pacifist requires you to acquire quadriplegia and still you can be running people over with your out of control wheelchair.

I'd rather say "I don't want to hurt you" to people than "I don't want to hurt anybody". It's a bit more personal so they might drop me some leftovers.

you all have too much initiative
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It is an unfortunate fact that every man who seeks to disseminate knowledge must contend not only against ignorance itself, but against false instruction as well. No sooner do we deem ourselves free from a particularly gross superstition, than we are confronted by some enemy to learning who would plunge us back into the darkness -H.P.Lovecraft


He who fights with monsters must take care lest he thereby become a monster -Nietzsche


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