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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2008, 12:46:04 pm »
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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2008, 07:25:39 pm »
Yeah, the Vatican has gone pretty much as far as it can go without giving up belief in alot of basic Christian scripture on this issue.

That said, I recall the current Pope is not too impressed with it, and prefers intelligent design.  Thurenz might know more, he is very up on internal politics of the Catholic Church.  There is a lot of resistance from American catholics and the Society of Jesus for the current Pope's position though, so it may not be a huge issue.

The current (catholic) pope *hates* intelligent design, and only barely stopped short of calling it heresy when he was a cardinal.  I'll pull up references if I remember when I'm home, have some of his papers bookmarked.

Unless Ratzinger died while I wasn't paying attention?

Looks like he changed his mind, then.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/aug/28/religion.pope

There have been growing signs the Pope is considering aligning his church more closely with the theory of "intelligent design" taught in some US states.

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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2008, 05:36:38 pm »
Yeah, the Vatican has gone pretty much as far as it can go without giving up belief in alot of basic Christian scripture on this issue.

That said, I recall the current Pope is not too impressed with it, and prefers intelligent design.  Thurenz might know more, he is very up on internal politics of the Catholic Church.  There is a lot of resistance from American catholics and the Society of Jesus for the current Pope's position though, so it may not be a huge issue.

The current (catholic) pope *hates* intelligent design, and only barely stopped short of calling it heresy when he was a cardinal.  I'll pull up references if I remember when I'm home, have some of his papers bookmarked.

Unless Ratzinger died while I wasn't paying attention?

Looks like he changed his mind, then.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/aug/28/religion.pope

There have been growing signs the Pope is considering aligning his church more closely with the theory of "intelligent design" taught in some US states.
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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2008, 12:40:49 pm »
I say fuck 'em teach creationism but do it sarcastically, only use horribly bad arguments to support it and only after you have taught the kids why those types of argments are faulty.

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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2008, 12:45:49 pm »
How about just having a critical thinking/logic/scientific method class for all incoming high school freshmen?  Would that be too much to ask for???
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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2008, 12:47:41 pm »
Of course, the problem is once people start thinking, they have this annoying habit of not stopping.  And before you know it, they're questioning the BBC and whether science is a culture-bound mode of thought and we've all become effete, latte-drinking postmodernists, tearing apart the foundations of Western rationality and replacing it with a nihilistic discourse of despair and the end of all grand narratives.

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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2008, 02:49:06 pm »
How about just having a critical thinking/logic/scientific method class for all incoming high school freshmen?  Would that be too much to ask for???
Yes, we can't put that on a standardized test.

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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2008, 06:58:58 pm »
How about just having a critical thinking/logic/scientific method class for all incoming high school freshmen?  Would that be too much to ask for???
Yes, we can't put that on a standardized test.
It would be easier to convince schools to hire only anti-authoritarian teachers who don't give a shit about what is gonna be tested.
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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2008, 12:51:37 am »
How about just having a critical thinking/logic/scientific method class for all incoming high school freshmen?  Would that be too much to ask for???
Yes, we can't put that on a standardized test.
It would be easier to convince schools to hire only anti-authoritarian teachers who don't give a shit about what is gonna be tested.

Which would (in the US) screw the schools over in the long run since test scores now determine funding for individual schools under NCLB.
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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2008, 02:02:42 am »
Wait, so if a school does poorly, you *reduce* its resources?

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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2017, 06:39:04 pm »
As far as I can tell, the Young Earth Creationist/Bible-Humpers are mostly: Baptist, Pentecostal, Seventh-Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witlesses, and various non-denominationals.

Basically the shit in the flyover states
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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2017, 08:38:04 pm »
What the fuck is up with everyone bumping my old threads all of a sudden? Have you really got nothing else better to do than discuss threads from 2008?

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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2017, 10:38:21 pm »
2008 was a good vintage.
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Re: Hurrah, creationism in the UK
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