A challenge for all Bush-Haters

[Chaplin_Sinatra_Fonzarell]

Hassan i Sabbah smoked a lot of hash for a Republican.

[Pedero]

Hassan i Sabbah smoked a lot of hash for a Republican.

He wasn't a republican. Republicans didn't exist at that time. But he did control political affairs through assasinations and so on.

Plus, Republicans not smoking hash is proof of unintelligent Republicans.

[Horab Fibslager]

except that hash sucks.

/me shrugs./

[Cain]

Hassan i Sabbah smoked a lot of hash for a Republican.

He wasn't a republican. Republicans didn't exist at that time. But he did control political affairs through assasinations and so on.

Plus, Republicans not smoking hash is proof of unintelligent Republicans.

He was a poet also.  And an Iranian.  I wish he was alive still today.  He set the mark for crazed terror groups.  Id like to see Al-Qaeda members throw themselves off cliffs on someones command.  And there was all that business with Rashid al Din Sinan and Saladin.  Where they managed to get the siege of Maysaf called off and give Saladin a paranoia complex for the rest of his life.  Bunch of amateurs today.

[Horab Fibslager]

why is it a terror gorup?

hassan i sabbah saved countless lives by targeting only the leaders and generals of opposing armies and nations.

i thin khe should get the nobel peace prize.

[Cain]

why is it a terror gorup?

hassan i sabbah saved countless lives by targeting only the leaders and generals of opposing armies and nations.

i thin khe should get the nobel peace prize.

And their families and children.

[Horab Fibslager]

eh?

i always had the impression that the legend of the legnedary hashishim was to kill the target leaving only a flaming dagger or whatever as they're calling card, and a missing servant or trusted advisor or generally somone close to them.

later leaders of thehashishim had such great power over their disciples that they could tell them to jump to their deaths off a mountain oneby one and they would do so.

of course i'm largely going on what's in the illuminatus! trilogy so i am quite well probably wrong.

[Cain]

Oh no, they did have a policy of going after the big targets, which puts them in my good books.  They would use a dagger, only a dagger, so almost certainly courting their own death.  And they were fanatically loyal to the Old Man of the Moutains, as he was practically God himself.

However, they would use threats aainst the families of generals to break the seige Saladin put on them.  Thye said they would slaughter them all unless they were left to run their own affairs.  They also tried to kill Saladin twice during the seige (at one point it is rumoured even his own bodygurads were shown to be Assassin agents) and it was said Rashid Din al-Sinan, the Syrian Old Man of the Mountains, stalked the night killing any soldiers he came across.

Alot of it sounds true, of what you know from lluminatus!, but I did a fair bit of research on them, got a few big textbooks relating their history and what they did.  By the time the Mongols came they were another convenional state, lost alot of thier early zeal.  Didnt stop them popping of the Khan's son though.

[Horab Fibslager]

well that's hardly terrorism. in the middle ages threatening the families of opposing leaders was common practice among all states and military forces. heck kidnapping/killing/forcing them into marriage was no more outta place than lunch. maybe less so.

[Cain]

Depends, Im pretty sure that was more allowable in Europe, but I think the Arabs took a dim view of such things.

[East Coast Hustle]

click here if you want to be told to hurl yourself off a mountainside cliff

[The Good Reverend Roger]

However, they would use threats aainst the families of generals to break the seige Saladin put on them.  

Kind of like Israel punishing the families of suicide bombers.

The more things change...

[Cain]

However, they would use threats aainst the families of generals to break the seige Saladin put on them.  

Kind of like Israel punishing the families of suicide bombers.

The more things change...

I never really though about it like that, but yeah, its a good parallel.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

here's the really scary part: there aren't really all that many more slack-jawed yokel evangelists than there are citified liberal pseudo-socialists, the problem is that for the most part, the "liberals" are just as fucking dumb.

However, most liberals - unlike neocons - are not in principle opposed to freedom.

[Horab Fibslager]

jsut as long as you kiddies don;t get neocons an dregcons too confused. the two already have thmselves confused as it is. further i expect to see the libs confusing thmselves with the regcons and neocons confusing themselves with the libs, while the jews begin systematically disposing of palestinians and klu klux klanners find crosses burning on their front lines.

indeed, will all the bonds that bind men together be broken, teh vocabulary which washes their minds blandulated and oatmealed, as we are all scattered upon the winds.