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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #105 on: June 26, 2018, 11:20:19 am »

For the last few presidents, we have been electing more and more the candidate that will piss of the other side.

Which presidents did you have in mind?

Probably started with Clinton or Bush 2, with Clinton being a fairly normal reaction to 12 years of Republican presidents, then Bush 2 was some god awful shit for 8 years and probably the first true Revenge President (in recent times) then Barack (Hussein!!!) Obama was backlash from Bush, and now with Trump it just seems to be more about trolling than governing.
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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #106 on: June 26, 2018, 04:43:51 pm »

For the last few presidents, we have been electing more and more the candidate that will piss of the other side.

Which presidents did you have in mind?

Probably started with Clinton or Bush 2, with Clinton being a fairly normal reaction to 12 years of Republican presidents, then Bush 2 was some god awful shit for 8 years and probably the first true Revenge President (in recent times) then Barack (Hussein!!!) Obama was backlash from Bush, and now with Trump it just seems to be more about trolling than governing.

Obama was a different type of beast altogether.
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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #107 on: June 26, 2018, 05:08:27 pm »
The election of Obama in 2008 was a moment when anything seemed possible. Then, of course, the America set in.
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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #108 on: June 26, 2018, 08:11:57 pm »

For the last few presidents, we have been electing more and more the candidate that will piss of the other side.

Which presidents did you have in mind?

Probably started with Clinton or Bush 2, with Clinton being a fairly normal reaction to 12 years of Republican presidents, then Bush 2 was some god awful shit for 8 years and probably the first true Revenge President (in recent times) then Barack (Hussein!!!) Obama was backlash from Bush, and now with Trump it just seems to be more about trolling than governing.

Obama was a different type of beast altogether.


You don't think Because they'll hate him" was one of his major selling points?
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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #109 on: June 26, 2018, 09:39:49 pm »

For the last few presidents, we have been electing more and more the candidate that will piss of the other side.

Which presidents did you have in mind?

Probably started with Clinton or Bush 2, with Clinton being a fairly normal reaction to 12 years of Republican presidents, then Bush 2 was some god awful shit for 8 years and probably the first true Revenge President (in recent times) then Barack (Hussein!!!) Obama was backlash from Bush, and now with Trump it just seems to be more about trolling than governing.

Obama was a different type of beast altogether.


You don't think Because they'll hate him" was one of his major selling points?

No, not really.  I mostly think that was just an added bonus. 
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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #110 on: June 27, 2018, 06:50:05 am »
Soo... not to fan flames or nothing, but this happened.

https://thinkprogress.org/crowley-loses-primary-b7f702972f1c/
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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #111 on: June 27, 2018, 01:05:45 pm »
Soo... not to fan flames or nothing, but this happened.

https://thinkprogress.org/crowley-loses-primary-b7f702972f1c/

This is interesting, especially because the seat usually runs 70% Democrat, and the GOP nominee seems to have little to no chance to win, no matter who his opponent is; so essentially, last night's election was the deciding one (although, these days you never know since the voter can be stupid fickle).

But anyway, this is the way I've always thought it should go.  In the same way I always mock the Green party and the Libertarian party for only putting up candidates for the presidency and/or other more visible offices, shifting the Overton window starts at the bottom in, say, a congressional seat (though even that's a bit more visibility than I was expecting at first).  It also helps voter turnout in the midterms, since it underscores why it's important to vote in the off-years.


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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #113 on: June 27, 2018, 06:06:55 pm »
Soo... not to fan flames or nothing, but this happened.

https://thinkprogress.org/crowley-loses-primary-b7f702972f1c/

Good.  This is what is SUPPOSED to happen.


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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #114 on: June 27, 2018, 06:09:11 pm »
Update: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/watch-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-refuses-take-cnn-anchors-bait-trash-democrats/

I love her.  This is EXACTLY what you do.  You fight to win, and you keep your eye on the prize.

She's not pandering to the progressives, she's stating her intent to represent them.  The berners will of course turn on her at some point, because bernie bros can't NOT turn on someone who won't piss away the election talking trash about the rest of the left.
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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #115 on: July 01, 2018, 11:08:40 pm »
Update: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/watch-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-refuses-take-cnn-anchors-bait-trash-democrats/

I love her.  This is EXACTLY what you do.  You fight to win, and you keep your eye on the prize.

She's not pandering to the progressives, she's stating her intent to represent them.  The berners will of course turn on her at some point, because bernie bros can't NOT turn on someone who won't piss away the election talking trash about the rest of the left.


Whatever happened to writing off progressives, eh?

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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #116 on: July 02, 2018, 04:16:35 am »
Update: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/watch-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-refuses-take-cnn-anchors-bait-trash-democrats/

I love her.  This is EXACTLY what you do.  You fight to win, and you keep your eye on the prize.

She's not pandering to the progressives, she's stating her intent to represent them.  The berners will of course turn on her at some point, because bernie bros can't NOT turn on someone who won't piss away the election talking trash about the rest of the left.


Whatever happened to writing off progressives, eh?

:lulz:

When I say "progressives" I am of course talking about bernie bro hipsters.
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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #117 on: July 12, 2018, 09:36:08 pm »
It's not just progressives: The moderate Democratic incumbent who lost to Ocasio-Ortez has decided not to take his name off the general election ballot.


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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #118 on: July 12, 2018, 10:00:23 pm »
It's not just progressives: The moderate Democratic incumbent who lost to Ocasio-Ortez has decided not to take his name off the general election ballot.

From what I gather, he can't.  He claims he is not running, but that unless he dies, is convicted of a few specific crimes, or is elected to a different position, the petition that got him on the ballot keeps him on the ballot.

I don't know if that's true or not. 
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Re: I think it's time to write off the progressive demographic.
« Reply #119 on: July 12, 2018, 10:40:12 pm »
It's not just progressives: The moderate Democratic incumbent who lost to Ocasio-Ortez has decided not to take his name off the general election ballot.

From what I gather, he can't.  He claims he is not running, but that unless he dies, is convicted of a few specific crimes, or is elected to a different position, the petition that got him on the ballot keeps him on the ballot.

I don't know if that's true or not.

The party whose ballot he is on have released a statement saying they wanted to have Ocasio-Ortez on the ballot, but because of some arcane election law, to do so the incumbent has to change his address to somewhere out of state...which given his family live out of state, should not pose a major problem.