UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD

[Juana]

I don't really know whether Bernie has the ability to win the primary or not. I am fairly sure he'd do better in the general than he would in the primary, but again — winning, I don't know.

Biden isn't a threat to him, and even if he was that would be fine by me, in a practical sense. My point is more that if you see someone get cheated out of plain-as-day wins, you tend to feel sympathetic. Things like the Iowa math bullshit, culminating in them acknowledging the math was wrong  and saying they wouldn't fix it anyway.

If the wins were coming to other people fairly, fine. If they just said "we don't like you, go find a different party to play in," okay. Dick move, but I see where it comes together, and I can respect doing it openly.

But instead they fudge the numbers, badly, and when caught they say "yeah but we won't fix it so fuck you"?

That feels like the con coming out — we need your voting bloc but we can't have you leading it with all that socialism and shit. That makes us look bad. Say your dumb things to your dumb people to keep them happy Democrats. Smile, nod, die a quiet and ignoble death out of sight, so you don't startle the dipshits and get them acting up. Don't run for federal office unless you plan to lose. Whatever you do, don't dare start winning — that's how you put these crazy ideas like Scandinavian economic systems in peoples heads, and we can't have that.


EDIT: Half asleep. Biden WASN'T a threat to him. By now he is, though I can't say by how much.

Also, I do want to point out: I'm far less upset by Klobuchar and Buttchug giving their delegates to Biden than I was about the shit in Iowa. That's a valid strategic approach. Now, it does continue a pattern, but a pattern of open fuckery without actively doing math wrong and so forth is acceptable to me. It's almost honorable in a way, given they started out with their asses in it.

P much how I feel. At the very least, the DNC isn't doing anything to dissuade people that they aren't blatantly cheating Sanders. Tbf, there's gonna be some Berners who are gonna feel that way regardless but if the DNC wants a coalition instead of a riot, they really ought to be running the primaries as cleanly and transparently as possible. SC seemed clean but Iowa wasn't and that's gonna stick out for a while at least. After today, it might fade if all the ST primaries are clean.

I did laugh at how cranky a lot of Berners were after SC tho. I'm leaning towards Sanders atm but like, SC appears to have been clean and it went for Biden. You're not going to get your desired result every time and you can't legitimately throw a fit when democracy doesn't go your way.

[altered]

Yeah, I was not upset by NV or SC. None of the horror stories of Iowa were coming out of those. They just didn't go for Bernie (as much as thought, in NV — which was fucking hilarious, Bernie even having a mild, distant chance was a surprise thanks to the big caterer's union not being so hot on him.)

Berniebros are just not in touch with reality.

[Suu]

AND ANOTHER FUCKING THING:  Just because YOUR vote counts doesn't mean everyone else's don't count.  When your favorite candidate loses a primary, it is most often because that person wasn't the favorite candidate of the majority of voters.

I feel that I should not have to explain this.

BUT IT'S A CoNsPiRaCy By ThE eStAbLiShMeNT!

[Suu]

I see you driving 'round town
With the republicans and I'm like,
Fuck you!
I guess wanting change in my party
Was a little too much I'm like,
Fuck you!
And fuck Biden too!
Said, if I was richer, I'd still be with ya
Ha, now ain't that some shit? (ain't that some shit?)
And although there's pain in my chest
I still wish you the best with a
Fuck you!
Oo, oo, ooo

Yeah I'm sorry, I can't afford a Ferrari,
But that don't mean I can't vote this year.
I guess Trump's an Xbox and Bernie's more Atari,
And the way they play that game ain't fair.
I pity the fool that goes and votes for you
(Oh shit they're fascists)
Well
(Just thought you should know my dude)
Ooooooh
I've got some news for you
Yeah go run and tell the FBI

I see you driving 'round town
With the republicans and I'm like,
Fuck you!
Oo, oo, ooo
I guess wanting change in my party
Was a little too much I'm like,
Fuck you!
And fuck Bernie too!
Said, if I was richer, I'd still be with ya
Ha, now ain't that some shit? (ain't that some shit?)
And although there's pain in my chest
I still wish you the best with a
Fuck you!
Oo, oo, ooo

Fuck you, Dok. Water just came out of my nose.

Also, bravo.

[LMNO]

Maybe a candidate shouldn't place all their bets on a voting demographic that has never, ever showed up in any meaningful way.

NPR currently reporting that increased youth turnout is not keeping pace with all increased turnout.
https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200303-super-tuesday/share/youth-vote-not-keeping-pace-55.html

[Doktor Howl]

Wrt the term for the reverse, it's acculturation as far as I can tell. There's some assimilation bc that's inevitable but the dominant culture makes room for the minority culture.

Thank you.  This is much more clear now.

[Doktor Howl]

Fuck you, Dok. Water just came out of my nose.

Also, bravo.

It expresses my feelings.

[altered]

Those lyrics are ringing bells but I can't place it. That's the main reason I haven't commented on it.

Probably when I figure it out I'm going to be mad as hell.

[Juana]

Wrt the term for the reverse, it's acculturation as far as I can tell. There's some assimilation bc that's inevitable but the dominant culture makes room for the minority culture.

Thank you.  This is much more clear now.

Glad to help!

[Cramulus]

Friend of mine hit the nail on the head:

Witnessing the vitriolic attacks between some Warren and some Sanders supporters makes it much easier to understand sectarian violence between fanatics of the same religion.

[Suu]

Friend of mine hit the nail on the head:

Witnessing the vitriolic attacks between some Warren and some Sanders supporters makes it much easier to understand sectarian violence between fanatics of the same religion.

Inb4 the new progressive reformation starts ripping down statehouses instead of churches.

[Suu]

Biden has a lead in all the states everyone expected him to, and the Berniebros on my feed are having a fit.

[Dimocritus]

Biden has a lead in all the states everyone expected him to, and the Berniebros on my feed are having a fit.

I mean, why wouldn't they? Biden has as much chance in the general election as I do. Nobody wants another term of Drumpf, but the DNC spent more time trying to subjugate their voter base than they have finding a candidate that would actually unify the party. 

[Suu]

Biden has a lead in all the states everyone expected him to, and the Berniebros on my feed are having a fit.

I mean, why wouldn't they? Biden has as much chance in the general election as I do. Nobody wants another term of Drumpf, but the DNC spent more time trying to subjugate their voter base than they have finding a candidate that would actually unify the party.

If you think Sanders was gonna win all those Southern states, I have a bridge to sell you. You're lucky people got to the polls with all the fucking disenfranchisement they've been doing down here, so naturally, the people who DID are white, with money, and cars.

I am, however, very disappointed in Massachusetts so far.

[Dimocritus]

Biden has a lead in all the states everyone expected him to, and the Berniebros on my feed are having a fit.

I mean, why wouldn't they? Biden has as much chance in the general election as I do. Nobody wants another term of Drumpf, but the DNC spent more time trying to subjugate their voter base than they have finding a candidate that would actually unify the party.

If you think Sanders was gonna win all those Southern states, I have a bridge to sell you. You're lucky people got to the polls with all the fucking disenfranchisement they've been doing down here, so naturally, the people who DID are white, with money, and cars.

I am, however, very disappointed in Massachusetts so far.

Sure, I knew Sanders was going to have a tough row to hoe, but the best people the DNC could come up with was gibbering Biden and OK Bloomberg? What the hell are they thinking...

And, not for nothing,  if you need to get 5 plus people to dogpile on one guy, that's not exactly  winning.