UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD

[Cain]

If you want to know about the Neo-Nazi in question, there's a decent thread here https://twitter.com/nickmartin/status/1235988697851387906

[Faust]

At what point can we all admit that neither Bernie nor Biden can win against Trump, and get to work on flipping the Senate?

Biden is impossible, he may even do worse then clinton. Bernie is improbable but possible, a lot of trump's anti establishment soft supporters would agree with a lot of what bernie is saying. That said Id put his chances as remote.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

obviously no democrat is going to defeat trump as long as they keep blaming the candidates for the ways their crackpot supporters behave.

[LMNO]

Yeah.

But it's really hard when you see them behave like the alt-right online towards one of their own.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

That's true, but I'm not sure where to point my finger about that. Americans are trained to hate and to feel superior, and to blame somebody for everything that bugs them. You're definitely going to encounter short-sighted ignorant bigoted pieces of shit under just about any rock. Hate and ignorance are like the background radiation of the USA. That doesn't excuse it, but if you're holding your support out for the candidate whose camp is comprised entirely of saints, you're going to be holding it out a long time. Bernie Bros (of which this particular Nazi at this particular crowd may or may not be one) engage in despicable behavior, but Bernie or Bust accelerationism isn't really that much more destructive than sneering at the children and threatening to withhold your own vote until they grow up or leave the room. If you genuinely disagree with Sanders on the issues and have no intention of voting for him at all, then that's one thing. But if you'd be cool with casting your vote for him but only when his supporters get in whatever line you've drawn out for them, that's different. And making that a great big bone of contention in the meantime only adds fuel to the fire.

[LMNO]

I already voted in the primary, and I'm gonna vote in the general.

I guess I'm saying that when it gets to the general, I don't see a lot of centrists going to the polls for Bernie, and I don't see a lot of leftists go to the polls for Biden.  Not that they'd vote for Trump, but beating the electoral college will take a massive Democratic plurality (more than +3,000,000) to win it.

But the bad blood (perceived or real) is gonna suppress at least one side of the Democratic party's votes due to each side's asshats.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

LMNO, get behind the Markey campaign. There's also Progressive Mass which is trying (albeit feebly) to unseat the entrenched assholes on Beacon Hill. It's less sexy than the Federal shit, but we desperately need to clean house.

[Doktor Howl]

At what point can we all admit that neither Bernie nor Biden can win against Trump, and get to work on flipping the Senate?

I would say that would be at the point where we have a crystal ball or a time machine.

There is literally no way to tell.

[chaotic neutral observer]

At what point can we all admit that neither Bernie nor Biden can win against Trump, and get to work on flipping the Senate?

I would say that would be at the point where we have a crystal ball or a time machine.

There is literally no way to tell.

It seemed unthinkable that Trump was going to win the last election, and then he did.  Surprises happen in politics.

Even if it seems unlikely that he'll lose the next one, a lot can happen in eight months.

[Suu]

At what point can we all admit that neither Bernie nor Biden can win against Trump, and get to work on flipping the Senate?

I've been continuously mentioning it, but everybody is too busy howling in "I didn't pay attention in high school civics".

[LMNO]

LMNO, get behind the Markey campaign. There's also Progressive Mass which is trying (albeit feebly) to unseat the entrenched assholes on Beacon Hill. It's less sexy than the Federal shit, but we desperately need to clean house.

Thanks, QG. I'll direct my energies there.

[Doktor Howl]

As God is my witness, I did not alter this.

https://apnews.com/8ced60306a04eef53418f2ce6f262115

Veteran Michigan pollster Bernie Porn said the president remains unpopular with independents and Republican women, especially in the suburbs — though he said Trump's standing has recovered some in the wake of impeachment.

"I think Trump is in trouble," Porn said.

When Porn turns against you, you're doomed.

[Cain]

I just winced on behalf of his entire childhood.

[Doktor Howl]

I just winced on behalf of his entire childhood.

Yeah, but then one magical day, you turn 21 and level up dramatically with the shit-talking skill maxed out.

[Pergamos]

What bugs me is that anyone who tried to publish Common Sense these days would be laughed off the stage because "we don't need no stinking reason in America" and "don't be such an intellectual". And the fact that the Democrats never actually make any arguments against the philosophy of fascism, they just sort of dither around why its various expressions might be unpalatable in some cases. Ronald Reagan's lumbering corpse continues to beat American Politics over the head 40 years later, but where are the Democrats saying that "Government isn't the problem"? All they ever say is "ok ok government is the problem but maybe it's a necessary evil? please?"

Personally I would love to see some Democrats who admit and understand that government is the problem.  Cutting the military would be lovely, eliminating the prison industrial complex, ending the drug war, opening the borders.  I'm sure there are more bad things the government is doing.  Unfortunately Republicans only seem to be interested in attacking the good things government does, while Democrats very weakly defend those parts.