UNLIMITED 2020 THREAD

[Doktor Howl]

Alternatively we could stop scrambling for a "safe" position that's only "safe" compared to a catastrophic alternative but would itself be described as the catastrophic alternative 40 years ago, over and over again, forever chasing our tails and pretending we are accomplishing something but actually just delaying the inevitable. Harm reduction is fine and all but when that's your only plan, and the only plan you'll even entertain, it's sort of useless.

OH, AND ANOTHER THING:

Even if we DID vote for Social Program Jesus or whomever next time, it WON'T MATTER.  Because in the spring of 2024, someone will make an unsubstantiated claim about how Social Program Jesus raped someone in 1978 and we will dump them like hot rocks on the accusation alone, leaving Don Jr to be the next president.

Because we are fucking morons and we should just launch our entire nuclear inventory right now.  Like right fucking now.

... you know if we set ALL of them off simultaneously we MIGHT just achieve first, and last, contact. That shit would probably be radio-visible right through the galactic core and beyond... EPIC!!

NOTE TO SELF:  SET BOOBY TRAPS FOR ASSHOLE ALIEN ARCHEOLOGISTS.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Alternatively we could stop scrambling for a "safe" position that's only "safe" compared to a catastrophic alternative but would itself be described as the catastrophic alternative 40 years ago, over and over again, forever chasing our tails and pretending we are accomplishing something but actually just delaying the inevitable. Harm reduction is fine and all but when that's your only plan, and the only plan you'll even entertain, it's sort of useless.

OH, AND ANOTHER THING:

Even if we DID vote for Social Program Jesus or whomever next time, it WON'T MATTER.  Because in the spring of 2024, someone will make an unsubstantiated claim about how Social Program Jesus raped someone in 1978 and we will dump them like hot rocks on the accusation alone, leaving Don Jr to be the next president.

Because we are fucking morons and we should just launch our entire nuclear inventory right now.  Like right fucking now.

I know the difference is evaporating to the point of hardly being worth mentioning but this isn't a Bernie Sanders Is My Savior situation, it's a "Bernie Sanders best represented (until a month ago or whatever) my last hope for salvaging this political system". I don't have a shrine to this guy in my bathroom. I don't actually even follow him beyond knowing his platform. It's too bad everyone thinks this is about some specific person because the Jesus jokes would land better if it were. If it turns out Sanders had a credible accusation of sexual assault, yeah I'd drop him as the avatar of whatever this idea is, but that doesn't mean the idea would die along with him. But what idea does Biden stand for? I mean, besides "Please I'll Do Whatever You Say Just Don't Shoot Another Hostage Oh God Where's The Cavalry"?

[The Wizard Joseph]

Alternatively we could stop scrambling for a "safe" position that's only "safe" compared to a catastrophic alternative but would itself be described as the catastrophic alternative 40 years ago, over and over again, forever chasing our tails and pretending we are accomplishing something but actually just delaying the inevitable. Harm reduction is fine and all but when that's your only plan, and the only plan you'll even entertain, it's sort of useless.

OH, AND ANOTHER THING:

Even if we DID vote for Social Program Jesus or whomever next time, it WON'T MATTER.  Because in the spring of 2024, someone will make an unsubstantiated claim about how Social Program Jesus raped someone in 1978 and we will dump them like hot rocks on the accusation alone, leaving Don Jr to be the next president.

Because we are fucking morons and we should just launch our entire nuclear inventory right now.  Like right fucking now.

... you know if we set ALL of them off simultaneously we MIGHT just achieve first, and last, contact. That shit would probably be radio-visible right through the galactic core and beyond... EPIC!!

NOTE TO SELF:  SET BOOBY TRAPS FOR ASSHOLE ALIEN ARCHEOLOGISTS.

[Doktor Howl]

Alternatively we could stop scrambling for a "safe" position that's only "safe" compared to a catastrophic alternative but would itself be described as the catastrophic alternative 40 years ago, over and over again, forever chasing our tails and pretending we are accomplishing something but actually just delaying the inevitable. Harm reduction is fine and all but when that's your only plan, and the only plan you'll even entertain, it's sort of useless.

OH, AND ANOTHER THING:

Even if we DID vote for Social Program Jesus or whomever next time, it WON'T MATTER.  Because in the spring of 2024, someone will make an unsubstantiated claim about how Social Program Jesus raped someone in 1978 and we will dump them like hot rocks on the accusation alone, leaving Don Jr to be the next president.

Because we are fucking morons and we should just launch our entire nuclear inventory right now.  Like right fucking now.

I know the difference is evaporating to the point of hardly being worth mentioning but this isn't a Bernie Sanders Is My Savior situation, it's a "Bernie Sanders best represented (until a month ago or whatever) my last hope for salvaging this political system". I don't have a shrine to this guy in my bathroom. I don't actually even follow him beyond knowing his platform. It's too bad everyone thinks this is about some specific person because the Jesus jokes would land better if it were. If it turns out Sanders had a credible accusation of sexual assault, yeah I'd drop him as the avatar of whatever this idea is, but that doesn't mean the idea would die along with him. But what idea does Biden stand for? I mean, besides "Please I'll Do Whatever You Say Just Don't Shoot Another Hostage Oh God Where's The Cavalry"?

What I am saying is that it doesn't matter if it is Sanders or not.  From now on, all non-GOP candidates will just be accused of rape between April and August of that election year, and that's that.

[Cramulus]

But what idea does Biden stand for? I mean, besides "Please I'll Do Whatever You Say Just Don't Shoot Another Hostage Oh God Where's The Cavalry"?

that's got a good ring to it

[The Wizard Joseph]

But what idea does Biden stand for? I mean, besides "Please I'll Do Whatever You Say Just Don't Shoot Another Hostage Oh God Where's The Cavalry"?

that's got a good ring to it

[altered]

I genuinely believe voting for Biden is better than letting Trump win.

I just kind of feel like it's an amputation versus sepsis. There's no winning, there's no absolute best, there's just trade offs and depression.

And I'm kind of with Vex on the rape accusation: the rule should be if it happens, you're done for now. Rather than put a potential rapist into public office where they can bury the evidence, you know. I see how the right could try to strategize that, but this is sort of an... not an ideal world situation, but a possible world I can see a path towards.

That said: there are no non-rapist options. That fucking sucks. There's no morally unambiguous good here.

But. Burning everything to the ground, actively encouraging a world where MORE people get hurt — that doesn't suck, that's fucking reprehensible.

I have been raped. (And that is the last you will ever hear about it.) I can recognize that Biden is a fucking horrible choice on the strength of that alone. But you know what would be worse?

Starving to death. Being human trafficked, successfully this time. So forth. There are a million worse fates, because you don't ever get to come back from them. I've been just barely dodging them in the nick of time so far. They are REAL THINGS THAT HAVE ALMOST REALLY HAPPENED TO ME. I am only here because a human trafficker I thought was coming to save my life crashed on the freeway. That fucking close to the end of everything for me. It's not even unique except in the way it would have gone down: existential threats are a monthly occurrence for me.

Trump is aiming for a world where I get all of this and more. Biden at least is going to stop shit from degrading further in the immediate future.

He isn't a fix. He's a horrible pick and I believe the accusations wholesale. But it's the difference between a world I might escape from the bottom of, and a world where I very well might die alone, starving, strung out on god knows what, full of STDs, with no one left who could give a single fuck. He's a way to buy some time.

I really hope you reconsider your position, Vex.

[Doktor Howl]

And I'm kind of with Vex on the rape accusation: the rule should be if it happens, you're done for now.

Then the GOP wins everything from here on out.  Even the dog catcher will be wearing a MAGA hat.

[Doktor Howl]

Oh, and the GOP has apparently finally picked up on this.

It's all over now.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Oh, and the GOP has apparently finally picked up on this.

It's all over now.

well, yeah. that was my whole point to begin with. it's all over. there is no functional point in trying to avoid it. except where you'd prefer voters who weren't so easily manipulated by these things, I'd prefer a party that didn't keep picking the sorts of people who are so susceptible to it. can't have the one without the other, really.

[Doktor Howl]

I am giving up on socialism and the left in general.

They are a pack of gullible losers.  It's embarrassing.  I have to tell people I'm a reform monarchist so they don't point and laugh.

In addition, having looked at FB, they are also just populists, not unlike Trump voters.  It was never about removing the beast, it was about BeRNiE.

I shall henceforth restrict my activities towards human extinction.  The  revolution will have to go ahead without me.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

isn't human extinction just the Big Acceleration tho

[altered]

And I'm kind of with Vex on the rape accusation: the rule should be if it happens, you're done for now.

Then the GOP wins everything from here on out.  Even the dog catcher will be wearing a MAGA hat.

I said should.

Realistically, that isn't possible right now without doing FAR greater damage.

[Doktor Howl]

isn't human extinction just the Big Acceleration tho

No, it's a goal.  Less stupid primates makes the place prettier.  And quieter.

[Junkenstein]

Alternatively we could stop scrambling for a "safe" position that's only "safe" compared to a catastrophic alternative but would itself be described as the catastrophic alternative 40 years ago, over and over again, forever chasing our tails and pretending we are accomplishing something but actually just delaying the inevitable. Harm reduction is fine and all but when that's your only plan, and the only plan you'll even entertain, it's sort of useless.

OH, AND ANOTHER THING:

Even if we DID vote for Social Program Jesus or whomever next time, it WON'T MATTER.  Because in the spring of 2024, someone will make an unsubstantiated claim about how Social Program Jesus raped someone in 1978 and we will dump them like hot rocks on the accusation alone, leaving Don Jr to be the next president.

Because we are fucking morons and we should just launch our entire nuclear inventory right now.  Like right fucking now.

... you know if we set ALL of them off simultaneously we MIGHT just achieve first, and last, contact. That shit would probably be radio-visible right through the galactic core and beyond... EPIC!!

NOTE TO SELF:  SET BOOBY TRAPS FOR ASSHOLE ALIEN ARCHEOLOGISTS.

I'm pretty sure that was the plot in an episode of lexx.

Shame on you if you don't remember lexx.