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Started by Cramulus, March 12, 2019, 01:15:02 PM

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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Faust on March 18, 2019, 08:56:46 PM
Captain Marvel was... OK. It uses the same skeleton of humor they have been using since Guardians of the galaxy, but the plot was weaker then average and they aren't great with the plots in general. That said its fun, the characters are entertaining but the films are giving diminishing returns.

In a Superhero movie, I want to see people in tights punch each other.

A lack of actual contradictions in the plot is also good.

I am not looking for Bonfire of the Vanities, here.
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hooplala

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 18, 2019, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 18, 2019, 08:56:46 PM
Captain Marvel was... OK. It uses the same skeleton of humor they have been using since Guardians of the galaxy, but the plot was weaker then average and they aren't great with the plots in general. That said its fun, the characters are entertaining but the films are giving diminishing returns.

In a Superhero movie, I want to see people in tights punch each other.

A lack of actual contradictions in the plot is also good.

I am not looking for Bonfire of the Vanities, here.

Ditto. It's pulp. Fun is really my only prerequisite.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

hooplala

And while I get that people have begun shitting on Marvel movies for using humor so much, if the alternative is Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, I will take a heaping spoonful of Emo Phillips.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Faust

Quote from: Doktor Howl on March 18, 2019, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 18, 2019, 08:56:46 PM
Captain Marvel was... OK. It uses the same skeleton of humor they have been using since Guardians of the galaxy, but the plot was weaker then average and they aren't great with the plots in general. That said its fun, the characters are entertaining but the films are giving diminishing returns.

In a Superhero movie, I want to see people in tights punch each other.

A lack of actual contradictions in the plot is also good.

I am not looking for Bonfire of the Vanities, here.
I'm not saying I'm looking for high art.
As spectacle, the punch each other part is running its course for me for a few years unless they find way to keep it creative.
Plot contradictions I probably wont even notice, plot dumps in the first five minutes and then the main character seeking to fill in the plot dumps the audience has just had because of amnesia wears out its welcome.
There are ways to keep the films creative which is hard where they are designed by committee and made on an assembly line but every so often some of them doing it freshly.
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Faust

Quote from: Hoopla! on March 18, 2019, 09:24:27 PM
And while I get that people have begun shitting on Marvel movies for using humor so much, if the alternative is Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, I will take a heaping spoonful of Emo Phillips.
Those are polar opposites though, BvS is the most dreary, boring, badly written film I've seen in years. The TV show Titans goes with serious drama and it works well because it is mostly a character drama, and has some beautiful cinematography.
I'm not shitting on Marvel exactly, just that well executed comedy is hard to do, Thor Ragnarok does it spectacularly while keeping the pace up and somehow conveying information that is important. In captain marvel, most of the jokes are good, and some fall flat but they kind of come at the expense of other stuff.
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The Johnny

Quote from: Hoopla! on March 18, 2019, 09:24:27 PM
And while I get that people have begun shitting on Marvel movies for using humor so much, if the alternative is Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, I will take a heaping spoonful of Emo Phillips.

The other day while i was doing my long stationary bike cardio session i got the amazing coincidence of watching a part of Bat vs. Super on TV...

And i really belive is some sort of highbrow 2000IQ comedy:

Batman: "You are the BAD VIGILANTE"

Superman: "NO, YOUR THE BAD VIGILANTE"

Batman: "ITS YOURE* NOT YOUR, DO YOU BLEED"

Then its a kitsch fiesta of punches and explosions and bad plot twists; isnt that just pure comedy gold???
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hooplala

Quote from: The Johnny on March 19, 2019, 12:18:51 AM
Quote from: Hoopla! on March 18, 2019, 09:24:27 PM
And while I get that people have begun shitting on Marvel movies for using humor so much, if the alternative is Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, I will take a heaping spoonful of Emo Phillips.

The other day while i was doing my long stationary bike cardio session i got the amazing coincidence of watching a part of Bat vs. Super on TV...

And i really belive is some sort of highbrow 2000IQ comedy:

Batman: "You are the BAD VIGILANTE"

Superman: "NO, YOUR THE BAD VIGILANTE"

Batman: "ITS YOURE* NOT YOUR, DO YOU BLEED"

Then its a kitsch fiesta of punches and explosions and bad plot twists; isnt that just pure comedy gold???

It's a different kind of funny. I laughed during BvS but my laughter made a few families change seats.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

P3nT4gR4m

I fucking love the MCU shit. Aesthetics, SFX, ott characters and corny dialogue. What's not to like? DC, otoh, go all po faced and try to make me take their shit seriously so fuck those clowns. Heath Ledger was awesome but the Dark Knight actually sucked balls. It's easy to miss that, tho cos Heath Ledger was so fucking awesome in it. Same deal as Gollum being so f'kin amazing you don't notice the second LoTR movie was complete wank.

Watchmen, I actually enjoyed the movie almost as much as the comic. I realise I'm the only one on earth who feels this way and am strangely comfortable with that.

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hooplala

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 19, 2019, 03:43:17 PM
I fucking love the MCU shit. Aesthetics, SFX, ott characters and corny dialogue. What's not to like? DC, otoh, go all po faced and try to make me take their shit seriously so fuck those clowns. Heath Ledger was awesome but the Dark Knight actually sucked balls. It's easy to miss that, tho cos Heath Ledger was so fucking awesome in it. Same deal as Gollum being so f'kin amazing you don't notice the second LoTR movie was complete wank.

Watchmen, I actually enjoyed the movie almost as much as the comic. I realise I'm the only one on earth who feels this way and am strangely comfortable with that.

I liked most of the Watchmen. I didnt agree with making NiteOwl buff, but thats a pretty minor quibble.

And I agree with you 100% on the Dark Knight. I watched the bulk of it again pretty recently and was a little surprised how much it did not hold together. 
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Fujikoma

Someone mentioned "Worm" early on, this is a damn good bit of webfiction, unfortunately, the sheer size of it can be intimidating, and a sequel is still being written in a web-fiction format... but it does touch on a lot of the downsides of superpowers, and, a society with superpowers.

Faust

Shazam, the other Captain Marvel film is out this week. Not sure if they are going to use his comic name of Captain Marvel (what with lawsuits and all that)., but I am curious to see what he can actually name himself. The reason he isn't "Shazam" in the comics is that if he says his name he turns back into a little kid. Thus also having superhero name.


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Fujikoma

I mean, the reason is he's the world's shittiest superhero.

Faust

Quote from: Fujikoma on April 03, 2019, 09:59:36 AM
I mean, the reason is he's the world's shittiest superhero.
He's dorky in the same way most DC characters are dorky and I love it. They shouldn't try the dark and gritty reboots with batman in full metal plate, or worse try to distract us from the goofy charm of the likes of Aquaman, where DC were so insecure about the character they try to hypnotise us with Jason Mamoa's glistening abs
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LMNO

Quote from: Faust on April 03, 2019, 11:53:10 AM
Quote from: Fujikoma on April 03, 2019, 09:59:36 AM
I mean, the reason is he's the world's shittiest superhero.
He's dorky in the same way most DC characters are dorky and I love it. They shouldn't try the dark and gritty reboots with batman in full metal plate, or worse try to distract us from the goofy charm of the likes of Aquaman, where DC were so insecure about the character they try to hypnotise us with Jason Mamoa's glistening abs


Worked for me.

hooplala

He's been called Shazam officially since 2011 or so, I think. I preferred Marvelman.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman