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Re: Your audience doesn't care
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2019, 01:18:49 pm »
I'm faced with a dichotomy. I gotta create. Like in an ideal world, every waking moment would be art. But it's not an ideal world. It's a fucking clusterfuck of a place, filled with deranged apes who demand I pay them for food and shelter. So I gotta devote a whole bunch of time and energy to collecting these tiny pieces of imaginary paper (yeah, they ran out of trees so we're using pretend paper now)

So I go from every waking hour creating art, to whenever I can find a spare minute, after collecting enough imaginary paper that I don't starve to death. Unless I can kill two birds with one stone and create art in exchange for imaginary paper. So my creations are dictated to me by fussy monkeys.

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Re: Your audience doesn't care
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2019, 11:18:43 am »
I've a tendency to just create. If people like it, people like it. Otherwise I'm not really too fussed. I say that because pretty much from my teenage years I've been raised on various social media platforms etc, so to a degree I crave validation. Can't help but post some of my music there now and again, and I do enjoy the idea of having an audience that appreciates what I do.

But I do my best to let what I create evolve on it's own, which has taken it to some interesting places. Tend to keep my more "creative" and "experimental" stuff to myself; and to satisfy the other part of my ego which relies on validation, I make stuff thats accessible to people, usually about stuff everybody can relate to, or music so absurd that it's entertaining to my small-ish group of friends.

I do cycle wildly between not giving a shit and giving alot of shits about it, though. I feel personally that my music as an extention of myself and clinging onto it as a part of my identity can be a huge, huuuge barrier my creativity in alot of ways, and when I put that stuff out there expecting people to understand, I'm just sniffing my own arse in public and most people aren't really down with that, most of the time. That's why I try to keep some space between me and what I create and try to create and I try to make music I otherwise have no personal interest and attachment to.
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2019, 05:48:41 pm »
Thanks Cindy  I wont worry so much since he is acting like his normal self..
Is that your new puppy from HIMEOBS in your post?  How adorable
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Re: Your audience doesnt care
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2019, 08:12:33 pm »
Thanks Cindy  I wont worry so much since he is acting like his normal self..
Is that your new puppy from Dreamland in your post?  How adorable

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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2019, 08:38:42 pm »
They’re bots. They pull posts from all sorts of sites and reuse them (or, increasingly often, remixed parts of them) based on keywords. I don’t know what keywords triggered this specific one, but I promise that’s a bot. I’ve seen hundreds of these.
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Re: Your audience doesn't care
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2019, 09:56:36 pm »

It's funny how similar newcomer pinealists sound like bots and viceversa; if it actually posted in the Haiku threads it might have even gotten some "mittens".  :fnord:
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2019, 08:08:28 am »
Either AI is getting pretty impressive, or pinealists never were.
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Re: Your audience doesn't care
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2019, 01:24:34 pm »
Either AI is getting pretty impressive, or pinealists never were.

The pinealists were overtaken by chatbots a decade ago, easy.
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Re: Your audience doesn't care
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2019, 08:53:43 pm »
I don't make art but I do make food and I've done that for a long enough of a while and I've been in most of the places from grotesque giant kitchen hells that support hospitals to michelin fine-dining 28 servings and for the people who eat it there's a world of difference but less so for myself. As long as I know that you get what you expected and perhaps a little more and I was able to do what I wanted I'm happy because in that context that's freedom enough

then again, I find nothing wrong with salesmen or seducers in the artosphere as long as it decently performed and not overplayed

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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2019, 12:31:08 am »
Either AI is getting pretty impressive, or pinealists never were.

The pinealists were overtaken by chatbots a decade ago, easy.

Longer than that.  I'm pretty sure RAW did some writing using an algorithm.

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2019, 02:56:02 am »
Algorithmic writing predates RAW. In fact, it predates computers.

I forget which one, but one of the Surrealist poets played with mathematical poetry. Words assigned numbers basically at random, then iterate through an algorithm. But that’s not a chatbot, which can repeatedly respond without the author continuing to write new text down.

Chatbots prior to a decade ago were ELIZA and similar “madlibs” styled fill-in-the-blank boilerplate garbage that failed the Turing Test at the first five minutes, and never could have made an apparently on topic post in a forum like ours.

Then someone got clever and started using Markov chains, which was a bit better but usually made random gibberish. If I recall correctly, This Is The Correct Motorcycle came from one of those in the IRC, about a year before I originally joined?

About a decade ago, things changed.

Markov chains are the low level go to still, but the data is cleaner, because there’s only three or four typing styles anyone uses now: technically correct, informal but full words, txtspk, and Aunt Sarah’s Special Facebook Post .... Very Important!!!!!!!.

This wasn’t the case before around 2008 or so, where any given person would use an essentially random mixture of of the above, plus 1337sp33k, Little kid Version Of Aunt Sarah Except i Dont know When You use Capitals So I do It randomly, and a few other oddities that haven’t survived. (Yell and scream and get locked in a rubber room if you remember .........broody anime villain teenager............. heh....)

But the big change was mixing the boilerplate responses of ELIZA type bots with markov chains and spinners (random thesaurus substitutions). The combination of these three meant that you could stay about ninety percent definitely grammatically accurate, not be obviously pulling from a predefined list, and be able to ad lib a response based loosely on how others have responded to similar stuff in the past.

That was when pinealists stopped passing the Turing Test. Even the best of them are a step below the new breed of chatbot. They hover in the grey space between old Markov chains (they have a distinctive typing style that doesn’t vary often) and new bots (they’re incapable of pretending to do more than string together gobbledygook).
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Re: Your audience doesn't care
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2019, 03:18:42 am »

Null, thats genuinely funny, thanks for that.  :lulz:
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