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Re: nazis - and actual PEOPLE: WTF happened?
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2019, 10:45:46 am »
There are a lot of arguments for an American influence on fascism generally. Manifest Destiny, as popularised in Germany in pulp cowboy novels did legitimize a popular opinion of Germany requiring lebensraum at the expense of other European empires, and the eugenics movement also informed Nazi "racial hygiene" theories

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Re: nazis - and actual PEOPLE: WTF happened?
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2019, 09:06:33 pm »
A /b/tard and enthusiastic racist is running for mayor in my city.

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« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2019, 10:08:54 pm »

pretty much! someone (a comedian i forget who) said that trump is like not a real rich person. That he is like a homeless person's idea of a rich person--gold everywhere, etc

That was Fran Lebowitz.
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Re: nazis - and actual PEOPLE: WTF happened?
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2019, 11:36:47 pm »
A /b/tard and enthusiastic racist is running for mayor in my city.

Oh my. Occasionally, the gods do like to send a gift.

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Re: nazis - and actual PEOPLE: WTF happened?
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2019, 03:13:18 am »

pretty much! someone (a comedian i forget who) said that trump is like not a real rich person. That he is like a homeless person's idea of a rich person--gold everywhere, etc

That was Fran Lebowitz.
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Re: nazis - and actual PEOPLE: WTF happened?
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2019, 03:16:05 am »
There are a lot of arguments for an American influence on fascism generally. Manifest Destiny, as popularised in Germany in pulp cowboy novels did legitimize a popular opinion of Germany requiring lebensraum at the expense of other European empires, and the eugenics movement also informed Nazi "racial hygiene" theories

I haven't considered Manifest Destiny and the cowboy myth before...but yeah that certainly fits right in there, doesn't it.

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Re: nazis - and actual PEOPLE: WTF happened?
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2019, 07:34:51 am »
Wait... So are Nazis commonly thought of as so much worse than americans because they killed mainly white people?
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Re: nazis - and actual PEOPLE: WTF happened?
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2019, 01:38:07 pm »
There are a lot of arguments for an American influence on fascism generally. Manifest Destiny, as popularised in Germany in pulp cowboy novels did legitimize a popular opinion of Germany requiring lebensraum at the expense of other European empires, and the eugenics movement also informed Nazi "racial hygiene" theories
I haven't considered Manifest Destiny and the cowboy myth before...but yeah that certainly fits right in there, doesn't it.

Hitler himself was a fan of Karl May, one of the better known German writers in the genre.

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Re: nazis - and actual PEOPLE: WTF happened?
« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2019, 03:03:26 am »
There are a lot of arguments for an American influence on fascism generally. Manifest Destiny, as popularised in Germany in pulp cowboy novels did legitimize a popular opinion of Germany requiring lebensraum at the expense of other European empires, and the eugenics movement also informed Nazi "racial hygiene" theories
I haven't considered Manifest Destiny and the cowboy myth before...but yeah that certainly fits right in there, doesn't it.

Hitler himself was a fan of Karl May, one of the better known German writers in the genre.

I recently came up to the narrative that Goebbels apparently was a super-fan of Edward Bernays, one of the Creel agents from the "Committee on Public Infomation".

Which is not saying that he learnt ideology from him, but the methods of propaganda and disinformation were actually american-made.
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« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2019, 03:10:19 am »

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Goebbels biographers agree that he knew books such as Gustave Le Bon’s Psychology of the Masses (1895) and Wilfred Trotter’s Instincts of the Herd in Peace and War (1908). He studied in detail the U.S. Committee on Public Information (Creel Committee) for the U.S. propaganda effort in World War I, being impressed by the ensuing theories of Creel operatives Walter Lippman (Public Opinion, 1922) and Edward Bernays (Crystallizing Public Opinion, 1923; Propaganda, 1928).

In his autobiography, Bernays recalls that, in 1933, Hearst’s European correspondent Karl von Weigand told him how Goebbels had shown him his propaganda library, the best Weigand had ever seen; and that Goebbels was using Bernay’s Crystallizing Public Opinion as a basis for his destructive campaign against the Jews of Germany. Bernays himself was born Austrian, to Jewish parents, and he was a nephew of psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud.

Johnson, Dennis (editor) (2009) "Routledge Handbook of Political Management" p. 314
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Re: nazis - and actual PEOPLE: WTF happened?
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2019, 11:44:11 am »
There are a lot of arguments for an American influence on fascism generally. Manifest Destiny, as popularised in Germany in pulp cowboy novels did legitimize a popular opinion of Germany requiring lebensraum at the expense of other European empires, and the eugenics movement also informed Nazi "racial hygiene" theories
I haven't considered Manifest Destiny and the cowboy myth before...but yeah that certainly fits right in there, doesn't it.

Hitler himself was a fan of Karl May, one of the better known German writers in the genre.

I recently came up to the narrative that Goebbels apparently was a super-fan of Edward Bernays, one of the Creel agents from the "Committee on Public Infomation".

Which is not saying that he learnt ideology from him, but the methods of propaganda and disinformation were actually american-made.

He was. Bernays was pretty much a superstar in propaganda circles, so Goebbels naturally tried to emulate his methods.

All of which goes back to my very first post, about fascism being part of the uncomfortable history of America (and most of Europe before WWII) which was excised after the war.