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This is an attempt to get my thoughts together about the illusion of the self. I find this stuff comforting - it's the nearest my rationalist ass gets to 'spirituality' - but also very hard to put into words, at least words that don't sound like they're coming from a basement stoner. I won't pretend it's central to, or even part of, Discordianism, but it's part of mine and that's OK. If I ever try to make a holy book I might put it in, between the comic stories about whales that I'm better at.

I'm not sure if it makes any sense at all, to be honest, and I'm a little wary about posting it here. But I think at the very least it's a nice thought experiment, and it's better than arguing.

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THERE'S NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT YOU
AND THAT'S LIBERATING AS HECK

Don’t get me wrong: you’re probably all right. In fact, if you’re reading this, chances are you’re pretty cool. That person rocks. What there’s nothing special about is the fact that it’s you. The fact that this spark of consciousness happens to be reading through these eyes in this moment.

Just as cosmology tells us that every point in the universe has equal claim to being the ‘centre’, every sentient being has equal claim to being me.

I believe this is the meaning of, or at least related to, the tenet in both Buddhism and Taoism that the self is an illusion. It’s also my solution to both the Zen koan ‘This mind is Buddha’ and the story about the man pissing in a phone box in the SJ Games Principia. I don't believe in reincarnation, but I think this has similar or even identical implications.

It has fascinating ramifications for empathy, because nobody’s happiness is less, or more, important than your own. Same with nobody’s sadness, or anger, or misfortune, or education, or virtuousness, or sense of their own success or failure. As far as the universe is concerned, they’re all you, same as you are. They are therefore exactly as deserving of your sympathy and care as the person reading this. Love thy neighbour as thy self, because your neighbour is you. The President is you. That person you can’t stand? You. Sorry.

This doesn’t imply that criminals should go unpunished or even that jerks shouldn’t be sneered at, but it does mean that questions around those things should be considered with a view to increasing the net good for everyone. Whatever that means.

And if the self is an illusion, then so is selfishness. If you screw someone else over to benefit ‘yourself’, all you’ve done is lowered net happiness. Any selfish act is not only unethical, it’s literally pointless. More than that – it’s nonsense.
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Re: There's Nothing Special About You (and that's liberating as heck)
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2020, 10:15:24 pm »
If it's me against you, you got me outnumbered since for every me there's many of you.

Me stays pretty stable in comparison to you who changes identities on a whim like a schizophrenic actor locked in wardrobe.

That's quite special, I think I'd rather be you.
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Re: There's Nothing Special About You (and that's liberating as heck)
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2020, 11:22:00 pm »
Point on Zen:

The central tenet of Zen Buddhism is that there are no distinctions and no categories, all of that is illusion. A good example of this that logically shows what is meant by it...

Consider a sandy shore on a riverbank. Consider the grassy hill behind it. Consider the tree atop the hill. Consider you yourself, sitting on the beach, watching the river.

Can you determine where the river ends and the beach begins? Where the beach ends and the hill begins? Where the hill ends and the tree begins?

Can you determine where the landscape ends and you begin?

The answer is, surprisingly, no.

Consider that at the edge of the beach, just outside of what appears to be the waterline, water is still flowing through that sand. At the edge of that flow, the water is there but motionless. At the edge of the waterlogged sand, the sand is still damp. It gets progressively less damp as it approaches the hill, where the grass grows in the sand as much as in the dirt at first.

As you go up the hill, the dirt covers the roots of the tree, and a squirrel or a beetle or a child doesn’t notice any difference between the ground where there is no root and the ground where there is. Dirt coats the lower edges of the bark, thrown up by rain and wind, painting the bark yellow-brown: the eye can’t see the edges.

And you? Sit still long enough and the ants will crawl on you as surely as the earth. Birds will land on your head, shit in your lap, and pull your hair out to line their nests with. You are not separate from the landscape.

Zen Buddhism takes this one extra step further, to the wall as we say.

If you cannot distinguish the river from the beach from the hill from the tree from you, then it’s all you. There’s nothing else there, reality is you. “I am everything and everything is me,” taken extremely literally.

An initial reaction people have to this idea quite often is “but if I come across a monkey, it will remove my arms and shit down my throat out of sheer spite, if it was me I could stop it from doing that”. But cancer is you, and it kills you insidiously by choking and draining everything out of you. So really, what distinction is there? Both are parts of you that will kill you dead, you just have a mindset that separates the monkey from the human body, and that distinction is falsehood.

It’s one of my favorite things to consider when I’m having a very bad day. Because if I’m having a bad day, EVERYONE is having a bad day.
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“Which one?”
“The one where everybody dies.”
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Re: There's Nothing Special About You (and that's liberating as heck)
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2020, 12:25:25 am »
"The president is you" seems kind of like a normalization of the pee-stained replacement Jesus.

Also, I disagree with the premise.  I mean, no offense, but I can believe you or I can believe Mr Rogers.
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Re: There's Nothing Special About You (and that's liberating as heck)
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2020, 12:37:19 am »
It’s not a strong belief of mine, it’s a useful reality tunnel for certain times and places. When I wish to be cruel to someone but that would be a bad idea, or (as stated) on very bad days.

Some other times and places, it’s useful to draw very hard boundaries. Certain kinds of bad days allow for no boundary crossing. Anytime you deal with Nazis. Etc.
“I am that worst of all type of criminal...I cannot bring myself to do what you tell me, because you told me.”

“Ever watch that famous war movie? That’s how it’ll be.”
“Which one?”
“The one where everybody dies.”
— Blood Standard, Laird Barron

Remember the fall of Yin Tu.

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Re: There's Nothing Special About You (and that's liberating as heck)
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2020, 02:03:05 am »
If it's me against you, you got me outnumbered since for every me there's many of you.

Me stays pretty stable in comparison to you who changes identities on a whim like a schizophrenic actor locked in wardrobe.

That's quite special, I think I'd rather be you.


It’s okay, I’ll let you out of the bad girl closet now.

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Re: There's Nothing Special About You (and that's liberating as heck)
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2020, 02:12:22 am »
LuciferX, making friends and influencing people, everyone.

Can’t even treat totally different forum users like human beings, and manages to put his dehumanization in the creepiest incel phrasing possible. What a fucking dipshit.
“I am that worst of all type of criminal...I cannot bring myself to do what you tell me, because you told me.”

“Ever watch that famous war movie? That’s how it’ll be.”
“Which one?”
“The one where everybody dies.”
— Blood Standard, Laird Barron

Remember the fall of Yin Tu.

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Re: There's Nothing Special About You (and that's liberating as heck)
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2020, 02:28:29 am »
If it's me against you, you got me outnumbered since for every me there's many of you.

Me stays pretty stable in comparison to you who changes identities on a whim like a schizophrenic actor locked in wardrobe.

That's quite special, I think I'd rather be you.


It’s okay, I’ll let you out of the bad girl closet now.

What the fuck is your problem, dude?

You gonna stalk Altered in every thread?
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2020, 02:41:20 am »
If it's me against you, you got me outnumbered since for every me there's many of you.

Me stays pretty stable in comparison to you who changes identities on a whim like a schizophrenic actor locked in wardrobe.

That's quite special, I think I'd rather be you.


It’s okay, I’ll let you out of the bad girl closet now.

What the fuck is your problem, dude?

You gonna stalk Altered in every thread?


Dude, altered IS everything [still enjoying that text]

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Re: There's Nothing Special About You (and that's liberating as heck)
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2020, 02:44:29 am »
 :lulz:

While I appreciate the attempt to blow smoke up my ass, I’m a feral boar and you stink of cowardice.

Go on, keep being a weird little freak all over the place. Maybe puff your chest out and talk about Clarence and your homies some more, that one got everyone laughing.
“I am that worst of all type of criminal...I cannot bring myself to do what you tell me, because you told me.”

“Ever watch that famous war movie? That’s how it’ll be.”
“Which one?”
“The one where everybody dies.”
— Blood Standard, Laird Barron

Remember the fall of Yin Tu.

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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2020, 02:45:23 am »
LuciferX, making friends and influencing people, everyone.

Can’t even treat totally different forum users like human beings, and manages to put his dehumanization in the creepiest incel phrasing possible. What a fucking dipshit.


Bitch, I am the intel of incel. (Let’s try and keep this thread squirrel free, mkay?)

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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2020, 02:46:39 am »
:lulz:

While I appreciate the attempt to blow smoke up my ass, I’m a feral boar and you stink of cowardice.

Go on, keep being a weird little freak all over the place. Maybe puff your chest out and talk about Clarence and your homies some more, that one got everyone laughing.
Dude, don’t make me show you Clarence. I really don’t want to anymore plastic surgery.


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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2020, 03:10:37 am »
Whips out a yo-yo

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2020, 04:00:49 am »
At this point there’s not even joy left in this bitter task. I just have to keep on crushing LuciferX into the ground methodically, because it’s how I was built.

He’s not doing anything but spasmodically belching non-sequiturs now, and still I have no choice but to point out I have yet to meet Germ, see the results of using Clarence, or find out about “where [he] was at”. I haven’t heard hide nor hair of Craig or Moan, and my doxx remain conspicuously unposted.

All powder, no lead. It’s like a guy talking about how big his dick is because he can’t get it up for anyone to disprove him.
“I am that worst of all type of criminal...I cannot bring myself to do what you tell me, because you told me.”

“Ever watch that famous war movie? That’s how it’ll be.”
“Which one?”
“The one where everybody dies.”
— Blood Standard, Laird Barron

Remember the fall of Yin Tu.

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Re: There's Nothing Special About You (and that's liberating as heck)
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2020, 04:07:07 am »
Well, I owe him for 2014, so I have no problem putting the boot in.


THAT BEING SAID, Nyborj, would you like all this horseshit split out of your thread?  All you gotta do is ask when this kind of crap happens.
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