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Started by Junkenstein, July 09, 2020, 06:38:37 PM

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The Johnny


I think that a person supporting Trump is just a symptom of deep rooted bad qualities... one does not develop such degenerate fetish overnight.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Fujikoma

Well, I keep thinking about what I've read about cults, and it's not necessarily the dumb and/or ignorant who get wrapped up in that manner of thinking. Some educated people have been sucked in by cult mentalities and encouraged to alienate friends and family until the cult is all they have left. After this alienation, if I recall correctly, pride can keep them from admitting they were in the wrong (after all, who wants to face that kind of shame?), as well as fear, what if they beg forgiveness and are rejected? Then they have nothing, no cult, no friends, no family.

Of course, I'm starting from the cult perspective, that's really the only thing that can explain my mom and stepdad being wrapped up in that dumb shit to me. Maybe they've just been dumbass monster truck fans their whole lives and I never realized it, somehow.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Fujikoma on October 27, 2020, 11:20:46 PM
Well, I keep thinking about what I've read about cults, and it's not necessarily the dumb and/or ignorant who get wrapped up in that manner of thinking. Some educated people have been sucked in by cult mentalities and encouraged to alienate friends and family until the cult is all they have left. After this alienation, if I recall correctly, pride can keep them from admitting they were in the wrong (after all, who wants to face that kind of shame?), as well as fear, what if they beg forgiveness and are rejected? Then they have nothing, no cult, no friends, no family.


This also explains Kentucky weddings.
Molon Lube

Fujikoma

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 28, 2020, 02:01:38 PM
This also explains Kentucky weddings.

Which also explains sister-cousins.

Trivial

I got my dad posting more human things after I snuck on and blocked Brietbart and Praeger U in his account. It sorta fixed the fb algorithm for what he'd see.  His posts and shares were still conservative-ish-business-religion stuff, but like human and not angry.  Also fairly anti-trump every now and then especially regarding coronavirus stuff. There was a brief relapse over that statue then, but then it was back to the usual.

But now.

Abortion babyparts omg murder. LawnORDER

Dammit

Sexy Octopus of the Next Noosphere Horde

There are more nipples in the world than people.

Fujikoma

The irony being that part of Trump's treatment plan for Covid-19 was based on research using baby parts... or so I recall reading. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Cain

Yup, that's correct.

And Facebook and Youtube radicalising people for ad revenue...in a just society the people responsible for those algorithms would be hung by their thumbs.

The Johnny


And here we are, radicalising ourselves for free, what are we even doing?
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Chelagoras The Boulder

Quote from: The Johnny on October 29, 2020, 06:21:35 PM

And here we are, radicalising ourselves for free, what are we even doing?
Like a bunch of goddamn suckers.
"It isn't who you know, it's who you know, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do."

Bovine19

Quote from: The Johnny on October 27, 2020, 09:37:54 PM

I think that a person supporting Trump is just a symptom of deep rooted bad qualities... one does not develop such degenerate fetish overnight.

Correct.

The Johnny

Quote from: Bovine19 on October 29, 2020, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on October 27, 2020, 09:37:54 PM

I think that a person supporting Trump is just a symptom of deep rooted bad qualities... one does not develop such degenerate fetish overnight.

Correct.

Ah yes, thanks for reminding me to add you to ignore list, off you go!
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Fujikoma

Wait, why does he/she get ignored and not me? Nevermind, maybe I don't want the answer. I mean, an echo chamber is boring and not the slightest bit enlightening or enabling of discussion. Bovine has only 20 posts, I haven't studied their other posts, so I can't attest to their quality or lack of quality, maybe it's simply that you don't want a one word response?

Eh, whatever, I, kinda-sorta agree with your quoted statement, The Johnny. but I agree in that some of these things are fixed points in the human condition, like tribalistic thinking, us vs. them thinking, shun the other sort of thing. This happens enough over the course of history, and assuming the pattern holds, prehistory, to be an established, instinctual manner of problem-solving. Instincts aren't always right, especially not right when you have millions of people packed into concrete structures like sardines. City folk have adapted to diversity, people with miles between neighbors may lag behind.

Fujikoma

My father though, my earliest memories were of him giving me a beer and yelling at the TV "Run "n-word" run!" as we watched NFL. He was due for a humbling. While he never lived in a big city, over the course of his life he slowly realized the error of his ways, but, you know, fourty years of life passes in the blink of an eye and by the time he passed away he was a hardcore socialist, anti-racist and supporter of legal marijuana, which, he had been a probation officer in a small Texas town and had a reputation as the worst one to get assigned to.

It's hard to carry the weight of sin that my father carried, he eventually knew it was wrong. Watching him grow as I grew was, well, I guess a sign to me that we don't stop growing until we're dead. He wasn't a great role model, he wasn't even a good one, but he was a human being who would eventually realize they fucked up, and instead of trying to hide it, would own up to it and strive to be better. I hated him when I was a kid, but I respect him now because it takes a lot to just turn your back on doubling down on being right, instead smearing shame on your face for the sake of being actually right.

The Johnny

For whom i refuse to waste time on:

1) Adversarial people with an intellectual disability.

2) Racists, totalitarians and zealots of any kind.

For whom sometimes i have the patience for:

1) The "mentally ill"

2) The unwillingly ignorant that either are not sealioning, or im so bored out of my mind that i dont care

My cognitive and emotional fuel can only go so far, when not only im trying to help friends and patients keep it together in the pandemic, but also trying to do all the work pertaining to the writing of a book.

I really dont give a FUCK about one-liners that go nowhere, add nothing and arent even clever... i sometimes give a fuck about peoples issues online but that is entirely dependent on my relation to them, because it is, after all, even more emotional labour.

I also dont need a speech about "echo chambers", diversity, instincts and tribalistic thinking with the addition of a slice of life short story to prove your point.

People that dont contribute anything but expect to take regardless, are miserable and parasitic, and dont deserve even the privilege to be read.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Doktor Howl

Quote from: The Johnny on October 30, 2020, 05:09:34 AM
For whom i refuse to waste time on:

1) Adversarial people with an intellectual disability.

2) Racists, totalitarians and zealots of any kind.

For whom sometimes i have the patience for:

1) The "mentally ill"

2) The unwillingly ignorant that either are not sealioning, or im so bored out of my mind that i dont care

My cognitive and emotional fuel can only go so far, when not only im trying to help friends and patients keep it together in the pandemic, but also trying to do all the work pertaining to the writing of a book.

I really dont give a FUCK about one-liners that go nowhere, add nothing and arent even clever... i sometimes give a fuck about peoples issues online but that is entirely dependent on my relation to them, because it is, after all, even more emotional labour.

I also dont need a speech about "echo chambers", diversity, instincts and tribalistic thinking with the addition of a slice of life short story to prove your point.

People that dont contribute anything but expect to take regardless, are miserable and parasitic, and dont deserve even the privilege to be read.

All of that.
Molon Lube