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Started by Doktor Howl, June 18, 2021, 06:14:22 PM

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Doktor Howl

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/greta-thunberg-new-zealand-school-strike-b1866457.html

QuoteBut now the group, School Strike 4 Climate Auckland, said in a lengthy Facebook post on Saturday that it will disband over concerns it has become a "white-dominated space".

The statement said: "School Strike 4 Climate Auckland is disbanding as an organisation.This is under the suggestion and guidance of the BIPOC (Black, Indigenous and People of Colour) members of our group, as well as individual BIPOC activists and organisations.

So basically, fighting climate change is now a racist activity.

Molon Lube

Doktor Howl

What kills me about this is that climate change affects the poorest first, which unhappily includes a large percentage of people of color.

So mission accomplished, I guess.
Molon Lube

Faust

And there is of course the horrible truth that the vast amount of the wealth,  privilege power and control is still centralised within white communities, centuries of exploitation and all that has not gone away over night.
I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing but it's a simple fact: That to enact proper lasting ecological protection we are going to need the majority of white people on board.
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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Faust on June 18, 2021, 07:19:51 PM
And there is of course the horrible truth that the vast amount of the wealth,  privilege power and control is still centralised within white communities, centuries of exploitation and all that has not gone away over night.
I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing but it's a simple fact: That to enact proper lasting ecological protection we are going to need the majority of white people on board.

Well, yes.

But this isn't about climate change.  It's politics.
Molon Lube

Légu

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Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2021, 06:14:22 PM
So basically, fighting climate change is now a racist activity.

I don't think that it's implied that it's a racist activity... Unless you meant something like "race is now an important factor in fighting climate change".

Which makes me wonder,
a) Why BIPOC were seemingly excluded in the first place (structural issue? or was it just not diverse enough at the start?)
b) Why the diversity of the group was relevant at all
c) What sort of internal politics led to this decision
d) How this helps BIPOC... Or how they will include them going forward

Of course, I don't think anybody outside the group can really know what's going on internally. I feel like this news may be somewhat sensationalized---maybe the previous administration could be working towards restructuring the group, or another group could take its place. Can't really tell either way.

Very odd phenomenon nonetheless.

[Edit] A quick read of the facebook post (which I should've done at the beginning) makes it seem as though they're just disbanding in favour of other groups, so I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing; there are alternatives there. Nothing was lost but one administration.
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Quote from: Légu on June 18, 2021, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 18, 2021, 06:14:22 PM
So basically, fighting climate change is now a racist activity.

I don't think that it's implied that it's a racist activity... Unless you meant something like "race is now an important factor in fighting climate change".

Which makes me wonder,
a) Why BIPOC were seemingly excluded in the first place (structural issue? or was it just not diverse enough at the start?)
b) Why the diversity of the group was relevant at all
c) What sort of internal politics led to this decision
d) How this helps BIPOC... Or how they will include them going forward

Of course, I don't think anybody outside the group can really know what's going on internally. I feel like this news may be somewhat sensationalized---maybe the previous administration could be working towards restructuring the group, or another group could take its place. Can't really tell either way.

Very odd phenomenon nonetheless.

Cannot speak to this specific circumstance, but most white people would rather posture and act like they're considering POC in their politics by referencing them in every reason they're doing fucking nothing than to actually take the step of including them in actual decisionmaking OR just accepting that they've got an unbalanced racially homogenous core group and trying to do right by the outgroup with that ingroup. You're never gonna get a "diverse" climate action committee in fucking Montana for instance, and Australia is worse — so you have to just try to do what you can.

It isn't like it's fucking magic, after all. Like... you ask people what they need and take that into consideration. But they're more worried about toothless representation than actual action, because one lets them pat themselves on the back for doing nothing, and the other opens them to criticism from other well-to-do white cishet leftists (far scarier to them than criticism from actual marginalized people).
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Doktor Howl

Quote from: altered on June 18, 2021, 09:20:11 PM

Cannot speak to this specific circumstance, but most white people would rather posture and act like they're considering POC in their politics by referencing them in every reason they're doing fucking nothing than to actually take the step of including them in actual decisionmaking OR just accepting that they've got an unbalanced racially homogenous core group and trying to do right by the outgroup with that ingroup. You're never gonna get a "diverse" climate action committee in fucking Montana for instance, and Australia is worse — so you have to just try to do what you can.


Well, that's just it.  On top of all the other crimes committed against people of color, we are now ALSO using them as a reason to do fuck all about anything whatsoever.

Humans are crap.  There should not be humans, and if we HAVE to have humans, they should shut up.
Molon Lube

altered

Yeah.

As I recently said elsewhere, real allies don't need IFF. If someone needs to inform you whose side they're on, they sure as fuck aren't on yours, whatever words spill out of their shit-smeared face.

This is just a bunch of fuckheads loudly proclaiming "we are going to fuck you and you are going to be surprised".
"I am that worst of all type of criminal...I cannot bring myself to do what you tell me, because you told me."

There's over 100 of us in this meat-suit. You'd think it runs like a ship, but it's more like a hundred and ten angry ghosts having an old-school QuakeWorld tournament, three people desperately trying to make sure the gamers don't go hungry or soil themselves, and the Facilities manager weeping in the corner as the garbage piles high.

TheAudience

Pardon my ignorance, I tried googling IFF and I'm not sure I've got the right term. Does IFF stand for Identification Friend or Foe?
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Quote from: TheAudience on June 20, 2021, 12:49:06 AM
Pardon my ignorance, I tried googling IFF and I'm not sure I've got the right term. Does IFF stand for Identification Friend or Foe?

Yes.
"I am that worst of all type of criminal...I cannot bring myself to do what you tell me, because you told me."

There's over 100 of us in this meat-suit. You'd think it runs like a ship, but it's more like a hundred and ten angry ghosts having an old-school QuakeWorld tournament, three people desperately trying to make sure the gamers don't go hungry or soil themselves, and the Facilities manager weeping in the corner as the garbage piles high.