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Discourse 15: The Trail of the Feedback Loop...

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Trollax:
The feedback loop of the human brain is not an abberation inherent in us, it is the result of society, and possibly deliberate manipulation.
Now... I must first explain a few things about my theories to you...

Premise 1:
Human behaviour is a series of premises arising from conclusions about information.

Premise 2:
Said information is filtered through basic behaviours: i.e. the four F's: Fight, Flight, Food, F*** and others. Conclusions based upon this information are then drawn, determining an initial direction of one's thoughts.

Premise 3:
Filtering is also determined by premises i.e. a feedback loop of judgement caused by prior experience and associations. Premises nested inside premises.

Premise 4:
Logic and thought processes are simply an outgrowth of this basic stucture, a linear continuum of ideas is simply a group of ideas we rationalise as being coherent and consistent with one another.

So that said... the feedback loop...

The feedback loop is emotional castration and mental dessication, leaving an individual as a mentally static emotionally immature and highly sophisticated automaton. A domesticated animal in other words. It is learned through the basic programming of the logic filters (the basic behaviours) and the working of these switches into specific patterns or types of patterns that promote self-denial far ahead of self-acceptance.
This leads to a war between our conditioning and our own opinions, when they conflict we get problems, the severity of the conflict determines the severity of the problem.
The conflict itself is highly complex and it's basic format takes the form of a circular argument...
"Why?"
"Because."
"Because why?"
"Because."

This is essentially a distortion of the social contract and the placement of it far ahead (i.e. as always or nearly always ahead of) the self. "Society is important people are not."

OK... My brain's frying... digest this and I'll be back tomorrow...

Penumbral:
That was WAYYYYYYY... over my head. Ill read it again... later...

Sir Lyall:

--- Quote from: St. Trollax ---"Why?"
"Because."
"Because why?"
"Because."
--- End quote ---


I've had this conversation with superiors before. Most up and coming youth generations have it, although the overwhelming pressure of society on the individual gets them to accept almost all of the "Becauses" of the older generation and settle on different conclusions for a minority of things (these conclusions are usually just "Becauses" by another name.) This way society maintains its survival at the expense of individuals. It changes slowly over time, but rarely are pardigms radically changed within the course of a generation (Although the cycle may be speeding up, and totally reshapings of society may be happening more and more often, depending on who you ask.)

Trollax:
OK... To continue.....

The feedback loop's basis for a hold on us relies on power, we must be addicted to it, we must crave, need, desire, and lust after power; any sort of external influence. Once that happens all there needs to be is a mechanism. (anyone else seeing why I feel there's probably a deliberate manipulation?) This mechanism -in our world today- takes any number of forms, the main ones being wealth and influence over large groups of people (duh, power). But the trick with the feedback loop is not in these things themselves but in telling people they must have them, and for some strange reason, the more abstract the concept of power the more we are likely to want it. Originally it was gold, and you had your secret hiding place for your gold, you kept it under the floor in your house or in that little hole in the wall behind your bed.
Then people started using secure storehouses to keep their gold in, as gold could be easily stolen, and hey, the storehouses were so big and linked together so they could afford to compensate you if the gold was stolen. Soon people started saying: 'why do we even have to go to the bank to get our gold out? can't we just use the receipt?' So then people were leaving their gold in the banks and exchanging letters of credit for fnords. Then some bright spark said: 'Why do we even need gold at all? I mean, this money stuff is selling like the blazes!' So we went from exchanging rare and precious metals (memetic constructs) to exchanging little bits of woven paper (rareified memetic constructs) for fnords.
Then some bright spark 30 years ago says: 'hey we've got these gigantic calculators that talk to each other! Why don't we let them handle all our money transfers?' soon enough people were relying on electromagnetic patterns to tell them how much money they have, and the brilliant thing was, how much easier it became, not only to steal it, but also to erase it.

What is the value of a $5 note? about 0.00000001 cents. But then what is the value of gold? it is essentially useless except for scientific purposes. What is the value of water, essential to all life? oh, it's basically a hundredth of a cent per litre.

Experiments done years ago on higher-order pimates (i.e. gorillas, bonobos, chimps etc.) where the chimps were trained to do wok to earn tokens so they could put them in a machine to get bananas. at first the chimps excercsied their regular behaviours and would put their tokens in the machine and run off with the banana's and horde them. But soon enough, they started to horde and fight over and collect the tokens. Why?
Well in their case it's a kind of miss-association, raccoons did a similar thing and would continuously wash their tokens. With humans, it's simple, the more compact and rareified wealth is, the easier it is to store, to hide and to keep track of. The local tyrant's wealth in the early days was visible for miles around, he had 5 wives 38 kids 12,000 cattle 200,000 hectares of land and 40,000 loyal subjects at his disposal. Today, wealth is stored in you pocket and on a computer, the end result can be replaced if stolen, a few zeros here or there make a world of difference. Soon enough, everyone's carefully washing their money because even wealth is a created concept, an external influence.

OK I realised I've waffled, but consider this statement...

"Under no circumstances may one employee punch another employee's timecard. Punching will result in termination."

Simon moon knew this was they key to the whole damned thing. Do you know why?

~Digital Trollax~

seanfish:

--- Quote from: St. Trollax ---The feedback loop of the human brain is not an abberation inherent in us, it is the result of society, and possibly deliberate manipulation.
Now... I must first explain a few things about my theories to you...

Premise 1:
Human behaviour is a series of premises arising from conclusions about information.

Premise 2:
Said information is filtered through basic behaviours: i.e. the four F's: Fight, Flight, Food, F*** and others. Conclusions based upon this information are then drawn, determining an initial direction of one's thoughts.

Premise 3:
Filtering is also determined by premises i.e. a feedback loop of judgement caused by prior experience and associations. Premises nested inside premises.

Premise 4:
Logic and thought processes are simply an outgrowth of this basic stucture, a linear continuum of ideas is simply a group of ideas we rationalise as being coherent and consistent with one another.

So that said... the feedback loop...

The feedback loop is emotional castration and mental dessication, leaving an individual as a mentally static emotionally immature and highly sophisticated automaton. A domesticated animal in other words. It is learned through the basic programming of the logic filters (the basic behaviours) and the working of these switches into specific patterns or types of patterns that promote self-denial far ahead of self-acceptance.
This leads to a war between our conditioning and our own opinions, when they conflict we get problems, the severity of the conflict determines the severity of the problem.
The conflict itself is highly complex and it's basic format takes the form of a circular argument...
"Why?"
"Because."
"Because why?"
"Because."

This is essentially a distortion of the social contract and the placement of it far ahead (i.e. as always or nearly always ahead of) the self. "Society is important people are not."

OK... My brain's frying... digest this and I'll be back tomorrow...
--- End quote ---


All agreed, but:

Premise 5: Culture is a part of the information that human nature acts upon to produce behaviours that include more cultural acts. (Culture is here defined as acts that embellish upon, or move away from the four "Fs". For example, a war dance embellishes upon "fight" but doesn't actually kill anyone; Toccata and Fugue in D minor by Bach is a highly mathematical and technical piece of music that for all it's beauty owes as much to pure thought and a knowledge of the patterns harmonics make when echoed within the human neural structure as it does to the religious dominance of classical music in history).

Premise 6: Culture is a synthesis, a distillation that can teach us far more quickly and efficiently (about) than trial and error through action and self-reflection. If we have to learn absolutely every lesson for ourselves, we end up paralysed as to which lesson to learn first.

Discussion: There are a good many things in culture that serve to oppress us - particularly mainstream culture, particularly corporate-funded marketing culture that seeks to force us into a life of brand-identification.

There are also a vast amount of inspirational works existing in all forms, including other living humans around us all the time, that can lead us out of the nasty feedback loops and into higher levels of thought and consideration (and inevitably at times higher level feedback loops  :lol: )

For me this leads to the following conclusion: it is our duty to find that path, to seek out by ourselves and with the help of others that which will help our internal translation-and-filtration machine grow and develop and thereby (a) find more in what we see (beauty in the path of a raindrop, wisdom in the everyday conversations of those around us, truth in everything) (b) see more around us, and (c) become even more successfully self-directing in the above-described path.

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