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Rev Roger Sermon #24: The Penultimate Word

Started by The Good Reverend Roger, September 17, 2003, 12:34:26 AM

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The Good Reverend Roger

September 17, 2003, 12:34:26 AM
Blarg!
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Slarti

#1
September 17, 2003, 12:45:01 AM
bravo. bravo. i think i finally get what you've been talking about all this time.

Irreverend Hugh, KSC

#2
September 17, 2003, 02:23:22 AM
I have been getting to the same conclusions lately. Emperor Bush, if not elected, will only be replaced with another emperor. And no matter how many musical chairs we play with political views, cultural/counter-cultural memes, lifestyles, or even strange Eris-worshipping religions, we are still in the mess, frantically scraping about for some new label to declare ourselves seperate and distinct from that-which-we-loath. We are like unwashed anarchists whose greatest act of social defiance is in stupidly trashing more windows and getting the moses knocked out of them by the police. We are like the yuppies who buy Che Guevara T-shirts and believe ourselves to be socially conscious because we listen to Rage Against the Machine and refuse to eat meat. We are like headless chickens running about in the moments before we run out of blood. We claim to be seekers after the truth, but when we find it, do we merely cover it over with Erisian-undogmatic-sounding dogmas?

Kiddies,...we are in trouble if we want to adhere to the principles of free thought which is our only hope of freedom. Why? Well, frankly I look around and I see much talk of freedom and creativity and mindfucking and Eris and truths, but I don't see much of the freedom that everyone yaps about. We may have free minds, but take a good look around you. Our world is being clusterfucked over and the vast majority of people's minds are locked in fear and stupidity. They are the majority and they do and will impinge upon whatever schemes for freedom you may think you can effect. To ignore this is to commit a fatal mistake and to nail the lid over the coffin of your imagined freedom before you can even try to force it upon the world at large. You can yell all you want, but if it isn't on TV, nobody's listening...and if someone did listen, you'd be another terrorist suspect torturee in training somewhere under Don Rumsfeld's ass. Believe that.
"Time for the tin-foil hats, girls and boys!"

Trollax

#3
September 17, 2003, 03:04:27 AM
The state is a state of mind!

If the determination of property as any type of object is purely a subjective frame, then so to is one's perception of the state. The state is always in anarchy because we are always chosing to abdicate our responsibility.

:P  :P  :P  :P  :P

The Good Reverend Roger

#4
September 17, 2003, 03:58:05 AM
Quote from: Egghead Blue Slartibravo. bravo. i think i finally get what you've been talking about all this time.

Then you're a step ahead of the rev...:D
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#5
September 17, 2003, 04:00:06 AM
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSCI have been getting to the same conclusions lately. Emperor Bush, if not elected, will only be replaced with another emperor. And no matter how many musical chairs we play with political views, cultural/counter-cultural memes, lifestyles, or even strange Eris-worshipping religions, we are still in the mess, frantically scraping about for some new label to declare ourselves seperate and distinct from that-which-we-loath. We are like unwashed anarchists whose greatest act of social defiance is in stupidly trashing more windows and getting the moses knocked out of them by the police. We are like the yuppies who buy Che Guevara T-shirts and believe ourselves to be socially conscious because we listen to Rage Against the Machine and refuse to eat meat. We are like headless chickens running about in the moments before we run out of blood. We claim to be seekers after the truth, but when we find it, do we merely cover it over with Erisian-undogmatic-sounding dogmas?

Kiddies,...we are in trouble if we want to adhere to the principles of free thought which is our only hope of freedom. Why? Well, frankly I look around and I see much talk of freedom and creativity and mindfucking and Eris and truths, but I don't see much of the freedom that everyone yaps about. We may have free minds, but take a good look around you. Our world is being clusterfucked over and the vast majority of people's minds are locked in fear and stupidity. They are the majority and they do and will impinge upon whatever schemes for freedom you may think you can effect. To ignore this is to commit a fatal mistake and to nail the lid over the coffin of your imagined freedom before you can even try to force it upon the world at large. You can yell all you want, but if it isn't on TV, nobody's listening...and if someone did listen, you'd be another terrorist suspect torturee in training somewhere under Don Rumsfeld's ass. Believe that.

10/10!

CAN I GET A WITNESS!?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#6
September 17, 2003, 04:01:38 AM
Quote from: St. TrollaxThe state is a state of mind!

If the determination of property as any type of object is purely a subjective frame, then so to is one's perception of the state. The state is always in anarchy because we are always chosing to abdicate our responsibility.

:P  :P  :P  :P  :P

Perhaps in Australia, but I doubt it.

The State is the barrel of a rifle.  This is the underlying truth of ALL governments.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Trollax

#7
September 17, 2003, 04:11:30 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Perhaps in Australia, but I doubt it.

The State is the barrel of a rifle.  This is the underlying truth of ALL governments.

Who imbues the rifle with power?

They separate us and we become afraid individually...

they can kill you, yes... but are you afraid of that?

How many can they kill and get away with?

1,000? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000?

every group on the entire planet is at this point in history saying that its values, freedoms and way of life are continually being undermined? Who is benefitting?

We're all paranoid.

Thuddites.....

~Zen Trollax~

Zal

#8
September 17, 2003, 04:20:19 AM
Yes, Yes! But what if you really enjoy bashing your head against a wall?

The state only has power because people choose to act as if it has power. I choose to act on Broadway.

Trollax

#9
September 17, 2003, 04:22:36 AM
I choose to participate in the constitution of my country of my own free will...

That way I don't always have to worry about every facet of the political fabric...

Mind a blind monkey with a coke habit could do better... but you know...

Nobody good enough wants the job because they deride the position...

~Five Trollax~

Irreverend Hugh, KSC

#10
September 17, 2003, 04:39:46 AM
Quote from: St. Trollax
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Perhaps in Australia, but I doubt it.

The State is the barrel of a rifle.  This is the underlying truth of ALL governments.

Who imbues the rifle with power?

They separate us and we become afraid individually...

they can kill you, yes... but are you afraid of that?

How many can they kill and get away with?

1,000? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000?

every group on the entire planet is at this point in history saying that its values, freedoms and way of life are continually being undermined? Who is benefitting?

We're all paranoid.

Thuddites.....

~Zen Trollax~

Trollax, the state can kill as many people as they want and get away with it. In the meantime they will bribe the survivors into complacency with ditzy consumer products and cozy cubicle jobs with an occasional odd weekend of fucking thrown in. Those of you who believe the state is just a social or mental fiction should not forget that the state has very real power that is not imagined. Some of us might not want to cooperate but we are swamped by the shear numbers of those who willingly comply. The state tolerates us precisely because, either it doesn't see us yet, or we pose no real threat (and can thus be coopted into being yet another lifestyle choice on the stripmall market of idiocy). The state's power comes from the the fact that they can legitimate their own use of violence against others. They have the weapons and the funds and the minds to enforce their dictates. And let's face it, there is not much we can do about it. We can free our minds. But then what would we really do if the Agents came knocking at our door? The state could simply vanish any one of us with impugnity. To be realistic, exactly what can we do about that?
"Time for the tin-foil hats, girls and boys!"

Trollax

#11
September 17, 2003, 04:42:01 AM
well what is the red pill? and how to we exit the matrix completely?

Irreverend Hugh, KSC

#12
September 17, 2003, 04:43:57 AM
I am starting to think that there is no exit.
"Time for the tin-foil hats, girls and boys!"

Trollax

#13
September 17, 2003, 04:46:01 AM
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSCI am starting to think that there is no exit.

Don't get sartre on me now Hugh, Hell is the self, not other people...

If the state is mental and it's mental power is enforced physically where is the key? Is it mental or physical? If not revolution what is it?

Irreverend Hugh, KSC

#14
September 17, 2003, 04:49:29 AM
The solution is in keeping one's lid open. Whether or not we can escape...who knows? Everyone has theories but who has really the understanding or the experience?
"Time for the tin-foil hats, girls and boys!"
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