I say Give it to them

[Thurnez Isa]

i knew a real geologist would find holes in the arguments (i am related to one). the part where they have dinosaurs and humans coexisting till the big flood had me laughing manically and face palming bruises into my forehead last night..

you mean there is more then the halo's argument?

[fomenter]

i knew a real geologist would find holes in the arguments (i am related to one). the part where they have dinosaurs and humans coexisting till the big flood had me laughing manically and face palming bruises into my forehead last night..

you mean there is more then the halo's argument?

i found the site from the advertisement at the end of the TV show, dinosaur footprints in Utah was the real side splitter argument for me, they have a bunch of their videos up on the site i am not sure which one i saw...

[Richter]

Re. OP:  I LIKE the idea, I worry about the execution.  Not that technology or science shouldn't be approached with proper care and rigeur, but when the people yelling "STOP" or "DON'T" have only mythology and interpretation of old unrelated scripture to back it up, they should STFU.  Their god has personally given the YEA or NAY to NOTHING  recently, and they've lost the footnotes from when he suppsoedly DID.

..doesn't this already kind of happen with the Amish?

[Thurnez Isa]

I didn't see any of the videos there.
just the argument about halo's - which at least was fun to look into
now I know why I was suspicious when his works stopped being published in science journals during the 70's

I might have fun watching them tonight

Though I have heard many bullshit arguments over the year. My favorite is when Kent Hogan said that if you do an experiment and mixed up different kinds of sediment in a jug and simulate flood conditions you will recreate the layering you see today. Which is hilarious cause if you actually do that experiment, like you would in first year geology, you will find you don't get layering you get one graded layer. His own experiment debunks him.

[Thurnez Isa]

..doesn't this already kind of happen with the Amish?

on thing about the Amish is they lucked out with a relatively small population in a prominently fertile region.
It's gong to be interesting to see what happens with the almost inedible change in weather patterns will will effect soil fertility

[fomenter]

http://www.halos.com/videos/index.htm videos

another side splitter
radio active dating is false because the constant in radio active decay isn't constant (W/O any evidence that it isn't) therefore because they use a constant in the equation the math is rong the earth is 6000 yrs old  

[Thurnez Isa]

In this documentary Drs. Robert and David Gentry unlock this message by their amazing astronomical discovery that the universe has a nearby center that can be identified with the location of the Great White Throne, God's dwelling place in the heavens described in the book of Revelation.

They even go so far as to suggest that this discovery may have apocalyptic implications: Did the Creator long ago plan for this sign in the heavens to be discovered as a signal that the present age is nearing its close and will soon end with the second coming of Christ in power and glory? It's a challenging possibility that none should ignore.

This what I'm watching tonight

I'll tell you what I think after

[Cain]

In this documentary Drs. Robert and David Gentry unlock this message by their amazing astronomical discovery that the universe has a nearby center that can be identified with the location of the Great White Throne

[LMNO]

Are they saying the universe is in the shitter?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

..doesn't this already kind of happen with the Amish?

on thing about the Amish is they lucked out with a relatively small population in a prominently fertile region.
It's gong to be interesting to see what happens with the almost inedible change in weather patterns will will effect soil fertility

They also have a tight knit community... a tribe that cares for its members. That seems like a pretty good survival tool to me.

[Iason Ouabache]

BTW, Talk Origins has an article on the polonium halos:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/po-halos/

[Corvidia]

I agree with this, except in the freaky part of "then we're stuck there" and all that.

We'd need to put them behind walls. Or in Alaska or Australia or something, so that they are separated from everyone else. It's like a disease--they must be quarantined. And then... hell yes, let them get what they wish for.

Can we add my parent to the quarantine list? Plllllease?

[Thurnez Isa]

In this documentary Drs. Robert and David Gentry unlock this message by their amazing astronomical discovery that the universe has a nearby center that can be identified with the location of the Great White Throne, God's dwelling place in the heavens described in the book of Revelation.

They even go so far as to suggest that this discovery may have apocalyptic implications: Did the Creator long ago plan for this sign in the heavens to be discovered as a signal that the present age is nearing its close and will soon end with the second coming of Christ in power and glory? It's a challenging possibility that none should ignore.

This what I'm watching tonight

I'll tell you what I think after

watched the doc about the center of the universe being god
not as funny as i thought... except when they started quoting the bible to prove their points


of course my physics isn't the greatest, for we take "physic's of life", which is basically laws and some theories, but very little theoretical physics, and no quantum

my initial thoughts

first most galaxies are moving away from us because they are moving away from each other - and at different rates
and he completely forgot about the Andromeda Galaxy, which is not moving some imaginary center, cause its going to eventually collide with our galaxy in something like 3 billion years... It's moving towards us. Now I could understand how they forgot about that since you know its one of the closest galaxies in relation to us and its fucking huge
also the big bang is not an explosion "in" space it is an explosion "of" space, both space and time are created in the big bang
also dr Gentry assumes that the volume and density of galaxies do not change with time. This untrue and has been observed in it's more extreme form by the collision of two galaxies
also in order for the galaxies to move away from this cosmic (the host calls it a cosmic geologic  ) center there has be the creation of matter in order to full up the gaps
also according to dr Gentry the background radiation is not from the big bang but a shell of hydrogen, which just plain impossible. For the galaxies not to hit the edge of the shell the shell itself would have to expand, meaning more hydrogen would have to be just wished into existence in order to maintain a radioactive shell
also his theory contradicts the theory of relativity
also his observations are based on the position of the observed galaxy and he has to take into effect the incredible distance of the observations

He's grasping for straws, something physical to give legitimacy to his beliefs. Im thinking for him if it's not physical it's not real so there has to be some physical observation of God
doing some research I found out unfortunately  he has his training in geology  (well geophysics) Thing is geophysics is not the same as astrophysics.

I can see how people get suckered into this though. Even with some scientific training astrophysics is complicated, and this confusion can be easily manipulated,.

I'm almost positive the physics doesn't make sense (most of what he finds objectionable about modern astronomy can easily be explained by gravity) but to me the chemistry is what doesn't make sense. You can't just have matter come into existence, which would need to occur if his theory was true, and the universes weight will not (as he claims) cause the universe to collapse, cause there is nothing to collapse into.

[Thurnez Isa]

http://www.halos.com/videos/center-of-the-universe-160x120-24k.htm
the video I was talking about


I would be interested if someone with greater knowledge of astrophysics would give they're opinion on my observations

[Idem]

I really liked the closing statement.