Discordian Philosophy vs. Discordian People

[LMNO]

Anarchy is your sixth-grade gym class for all eternity!

Where's your Discordia now???

She's sticking gum in your hair.

[metapunk]

Or tying in the parallels of grey face and civilization, or that greyface is really a metaphor for domestication and civilization. Meaning that when we tried to kill the chaos of reality through imposing our internal concepts of order upon nature and everyone around us, we lose the ability to just be happy children dancing in the sunlight, picking fruits and vegetables, hunting rabbits and living as one with the external reality that could be dubbed nature or just life in general. When we feel like we need to do WORK or till the field or protect the castle, or whatever we take things way too seriously, and thus the greyface complex.

Please tell me you didn't just say that "domestication" and "civilization" are bad things, as you type out your ideology on a device that could not possibly exist without civilization, in a domecile that would not exist without domestication.

You remind me of all the socialists in college who lived off their trust fund left to them by their rich (capitalistic) grandfather.

Fuck this shit.I have no desire to be some shiny happy treehuggin hippy livin off the land.Fuck the "back to nature" mentality.In truth,nature is a bitch.
Don't get me wrong,I have nothing against nature,I just don;t want to go back being dirty stinking primitive savage.I hate the fact that the xtians took my ancestors out of the wilds of africa to be slave,but I have no desire to go back to my ancestors life style.
I like all the modern convienences.I love the internet.I want my Cartoon network.I want my playstation 2 back.
Nothing pisses me off more then some sanctemoniuos hippy/anarchist who looks down own me because I don't want to go back to eating veggies straight out the ground and tilling the fields.You know what I say to people like that:FUCK YOU FARMER RETARD.HOPE YOU GET FUCKED UP THE ASS BY A BEAR.
I also can't stand trustfund anarchists who want to "smash the system" while masterbating to Kropotkin.The problem with so many anarchists today is that they are so hardcore,they seem to be spending a lot of energy rebelling against the rules of GOOD HYGIENE.IF anarchists hate capitisim so much,send me all your money,so that you won't be tainted.
I have yet to meet an anarchist who can actually explain what the hell we do after we"smash the system".I've met so many aggro hippies and wanna be armchair anarchists,I know for a fact those are the first people to shit their pants if true anarchy happens(most of the gutterpunk anarchists in N'awlins hid in their squats during the aftermath of Katrina,leaving everyone else to go out and try to find food and water).

Did I FUCKING say we should go back to NATURE and become primitive FARMERS ? A fucking contradiction in itself. NO.

I know that all of you fucking discordians are just a bunch of haters who seem to do anything you can to distance yourself from fucking anarchists which is just fine and dandy sit in your house on your computer and type inane shite all day until your fingers fall off.

But really did I look down at you. DID I EVER FUCKING SAY SHIT other than all of the cynical fucking subgenii hostility is pretty boring. Nope.

Once again your putting words into my mouth based upon things you thought you heard elsewhere and are colloborating into ideas I have put forth.

I was merely drawing a metaphor between the rise of civilization and the rise of a greyface mentality. Of course since all of you are happily dependent upon pinks and greys to feed you then you really have no problems with the near enslavement of individuals suffering in 3rd world countries to produce the precious commodities like your playstation 2.
Hey you got it might as well play it.

Sure everybody hates trustfund anarchists. They're annoyingly priviledged and piss off everyone around them by being care-free cuz they can always fall back on mommy and daddies money. That's just an easy target...

Ohh well I guess I'm just the "anarchist poster child" for you guys to fling shit on all day. Hope your having fun...

[fluffy]

Did I FUCKING say we should go back to NATURE and become primitive FARMERS ? A fucking contradiction in itself. NO.

I know that all of you fucking discordians are just a bunch of haters who seem to do anything you can to distance yourself from fucking anarchists which is just fine and dandy sit in your house on your computer and type inane shite all day until your fingers fall off.

But really did I look down at you. DID I EVER FUCKING SAY SHIT other than all of the cynical fucking subgenii hostility is pretty boring. Nope.

Once again your putting words into my mouth based upon things you thought you heard elsewhere and are colloborating into ideas I have put forth.

I was merely drawing a metaphor between the rise of civilization and the rise of a greyface mentality. Of course since all of you are happily dependent upon pinks and greys to feed you then you really have no problems with the near enslavement of individuals suffering in 3rd world countries to produce the precious commodities like your playstation 2.
Hey you got it might as well play it.

Sure everybody hates trustfund anarchists. They're annoyingly priviledged and piss off everyone around them by being care-free cuz they can always fall back on mommy and daddies money. That's just an easy target...

Ohh well I guess I'm just the "anarchist poster child" for you guys to fling shit on all day. Hope your having fun...

::turns up the volume on her bunny interpreting machine::

whoa, boy. chill out.

first, don't go labeling all those people who flamed you as discordians
the only discordian in the bunch is verthaine
and i have my eye on him

and of course they misconstrued what you said
they have to feel superior

a little of what was said was honest criticism
but most was just follow the leader piling on
you know
sixth grade gym class

nothing wrong with being an anarchist
most people around here don't know what anarchism is
they may have read a critique and think they know it all
but their concept of anarchy is what the machine has told them it is
hence the "sixth grade gym class" concept

so basically you are getting upset at people because they are ignorant
what's the sense in that?
they are no better than anyone else
despite the subgenii hyper ego

so calm down
take a big breath
and realize that everything that was just said
is just pixels and ones and zeroes.

people spout crap on the internet
because they know you will never show up on their doorstep


you make some good points
[except for hunting rabbits (that's a no-no)
and it wasn't helen's dad but her husband]

yes, discordianism has roots in both zen and tao
yes, it grabbles with the ancient question:
how do we know what is real and what is merely perception?

i like the concept of money as subject and not objective
you should develop that more

yes, most of us are elitist
but there are some non-elitists here
they just don't exert themselves so much
mostly because non-elitists are not pushy

and yes, man went wrong when he invented work
that is, work as you work for someone else
that is when man began to divide people into classes
before that we were pretty much the same
maybe
kind of hard to know what happened in prehistory, you know

and i caught that you were not advocating a "return to nature"
but others don't seem to realize that it is often hard to fix problems
when you don't know where you went wrong
(of course, some don't care where we went wrong,
they just want to tear it all down, hence the destruction of anything constructive)

i like what you had to say
and i hope that you post more of it here
just ignore the hate




it is sad that we do not spend time here actually talking about discordianism

instead of looking for areas of common agreement
and trying to work towards developing a coherent philsophy,
it has become fashionable to trash anyone who tries to carry on a decent conversation

we instead spend our time asserting our superiority over the cabbages of the world,
and enforcing a hyperorthodoxy by driving off through ridicule anyone who dares criticize us.

i wonder what ever happened to the concept: think for yourself.

it seems to be lacking around here lately.

::turns down the volume::


but i am just a stupid bunny
what the hell do i know, right?

[Cain]

Actually, I totally disagree with anarchism on very certain grounds.  Give me a few days to write, and you shall have it explained.  I need a few days because I've just been given 17,000 books to read, and I still have to waste my time going to lectures on top of that.

And I thought Verthaine was an Erisian and the rest of us were Discordians?  I mean, I've got "Discordian" on my membership card and everything....

[BADGE OF HONOR]

I was merely drawing a metaphor between the rise of civilization and the rise of a greyface mentality. Of course since all of you are happily dependent upon pinks and greys to feed you then you really have no problems with the near enslavement of individuals suffering in 3rd world countries to produce the precious commodities like your playstation 2.
Hey you got it might as well play it.

All I can say is, there is no going back to the Garden of Eden, or more appropriately, the Age of Gold.  The Age of Gold sounds mighty boring to me.  Sure, there's no work, but there's also no real reason to be alive.  No war, but no justice either.  No evil, therefore no good.  Life is worth living because it always ends.  

Sure, greyface mentality is bad, but nothing is as simple as it appears on paper.  We all depend on each other.  

I have only met one completely worthless human being.  Everyone has some good points.  There might not be that many, but they're there.  It just depends on how much time and energy you want to spend appreciating them (or ignoring their less-than-stellar facets).  There's no real justice in calling people "pinks" and "greys".  It's just stupid shorthand for a set of ideals.  Part of the greyface mentality is classifying people, and we are just as guilty of it as anyone else.  

We are human beings.  This means, among other things, that we only care about the people we can see, who touch our lives in some way.  Those enslaved third world countries mean very little to the average human because they're not really real.  Especially in this day and age when, despite the vastness of the media, nothing gets reported about them.  When was the last time you heard something about Bangledesh?  Or Chile?  Or the Phillipines?  Or Laos?  How do you know they really exist?  If I'm not sure that they exist, why should I care about them?  (This is not a justification for apathy, merely a hypothesis.)

I forgot where I was going with this, so I'm just going to say that, however intelligent you are, you're not very well spoken and you don't appear to have very much experience under your belt.  Hence the near-universal negative reaction to your idea/bludgeons.

[LMNO]

I have only met one completely worthless human being.

You too can meet him at www.principiadiscordia.org.

[BADGE OF HONOR]

I said met.  Internet people don't count.

Though if they did the count would shoot really high.

[LHX]

things to do when everything is gone:

sleep
eat vegetables
look at shit
not speak
create things


after we finish pushing the boulder up the hill
we watch it roll back down

but
we dont have to be dumb enuf to do it again


i am pretty sure that everybody who looks at / posts on this website is looking for some answers
or
at the very least
looking to make sure they have all their shit in check
before they do what they feel they have to do


i am also pretty sure that most people here have at least had a moment where they realize that all of their
reasoning
quick wit
deductive capabilities
command of the english language

is not going to save them from the tremendous hurt that is going to be lay upon them
(probably soon)


n00bs have to take their lumps the same way a square peg erodes until it can fit in the round hole





dear god
i love holes

[LMNO]

I'm really starting to get into LHX's mode of communication.

At first I thought he was just trying to be artsy.

But now, i feel it has a certain rhythm & flow.

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

Metapunk, the more you get all hollery the more we are going to keep poking you. It's funny watching you get your panties in a bunch. Don't worry though. We have ADD and will find other things to play with eventually.

Anarchy? Why the fuck are you treating it as if it is some holy writ sacred cow to bow to.....Anarchy is nothing without anarchists. It's not some bullshit collection of rehashed theories based off of crackpot writers from a hundred years ago, despite what some rich or middle class white Anarchists like to think.

[LMNO]

It's still a utopian pipe dream, though.

Given the current state of human nature, how is anarchy supposed to remain stable?

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

It's still a utopian pipe dream, though.

Given the current state of human nature, how is anarchy supposed to remain stable?

Nothing ever is stable, though politicians like to convince people of that lie. Anarchy is simply about not needing authorities to order people about. Even more simply about DIY and not waiting around for others to take care of you. The problem is when people get all hissy and territorial and then think of their various ideas called "Anarchy" or "Anarchism" as the holy grail. You should read some of the reams of bullcrap anarchist writers put out online every month. It is horrid. That is the reason it won't succeed. The people are fucking it up. They missed out on the approach.

[fluffy]

It's still a utopian pipe dream, though.

Given the current state of human nature, how is anarchy supposed to remain stable?

Nothing ever is stable, though politicians like to convince people of that lie. Anarchy is simply about not needing authorities to order people about. Even more simply about DIY and not waiting around for others to take care of you. The problem is when people get all hissy and territorial and then think of their various ideas called "Anarchy" or "Anarchism" as the holy grail. You should read some of the reams of bullcrap anarchist writers put out online every month. It is horrid. That is the reason it won't succeed. The people are fucking it up. They missed out on the approach.

hugh gets it

oh, and lmno
anarchy = utopian pipe dream
discordianism = fake religion
doesn't mean they are worthless

[Cain]

It's still a utopian pipe dream, though.

Given the current state of human nature, how is anarchy supposed to remain stable?

Through the BALANCE OF POWER AND MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION!

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

It's still a utopian pipe dream, though.

Given the current state of human nature, how is anarchy supposed to remain stable?

Through the BALANCE OF POWER AND MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION!

Nah! Human beings would pretty much do a piss poor job of anything they try to do, except slaughtering one another.