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Memorandum #4 - Beliefs and Theories
Penumbral:
Memorandum #4 - Beliefs and Theories
It is staggering to see how much of our modern world is shaped by beliefs and theories. Beliefs and Theories. There can be nothing else, but people don't even release that other peoples beliefs and theories are just as correct as theirs -wrong-. People do things based on theories that have been proven wrong or are disbelieved by many "smart" people. So dose this make their beliefs wrong or bad? Yes, yours too, as well as mine. Beliefs and theories. Any belief will be wrong by more then one theory and/or beliefs and no theory is belief less. It's a belief that makes prostitution illegal and drugs "wrong". It's a belief that makes people wheezy when you mention sex changes, or cringe at the mention of gays. On the other side it's a theory that states that god created the world, or that Chaos has any real meaning. Theories state that man evolved from animals, and that the world will end. My point is that Beliefs and theories don't matter. It doesn't even matter what's true. You can spend all your time coming up with a belief or theory and it might even be "true", but will it really change anything? No. So beliefs don't matter theories suck and you are right in the middle of it. Can anyone prove that the world was not created 2 minutes ago with everything already on it? That your ideas your experiences where created in you just minutes ago? No. maybe its all in your mind, your brain actually created all of this and you lie in a hospital bed somewhere suffering from coma. So what should we base systems on? We need systems right? If you need a system to function at least try to base it on things that exist. What exists? No... Ok prove that what exists!
-"believing that what you believe doesn't matter is still a belief."-
Penumbral
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riff:
It's true that our lives are based on belief -- they can't possibly not be. Everything we experience exists only within our heads. When you look at an apple, you don't see it as being red because the apple 'is' red or has any inherant 'redness'. You see red because light reflects off of the apple in a certain way, which hits receptors in your eyeballs in a certain way, which causes your eyes to send nerve impulses to your brain in a certain way. Your brain takes this information, and interprets it for you, into a mental image of a "red apple". If your eyes were a little different, the apple wouldn't be red. Ask any color-blind person. Or even better, ask someone afflicted with synaesthesia, who "sees" sounds and "hears" colors.
We do not -- can not -- experience any "real" objective reality. We live in a hologram, created by our brains in an attempt to explain to us the sensory information it's receiving from the objective universe. Everyone's brain is a little different, therefore everyone's hologram, their "reality" is a little different. Bats live in the same objective capital-R Reality as us, but they don't use light to see -- they use reflected sound waves instead. Their universes are completely different from our own, and you could not possibly accurately imagine what it's like to live in their "reality". And yet, being mammals, their brains are not significantly different from our own.
To use a pop-culture metaphor, this is The Matrix. But instead of all of us living together in the same Matrix, we each live in our own Matrix, created for us by our own brains. "There is no spoon." You see what you believe you see -- what your brain tells you you see.
Your statement that beliefs suck and don't matter is as wrong as can be. You can't live without beliefs, because, being unable in any way to perceive any Objective Reality, your beliefs are all you have to live in.
SMFabal:
Well, lets approach this from a slightly different angle:
Penumbral, you believe that beliefs don't matter. Ain't that about a bitch?
Beliefs matter. You cannot interact with the world without beliefs. Do you believe that you must open a door bofore walkin through the doorway said door occupies? It all about what you, yourself, have experienced. Why does every child touch a hot stove?
What you believe doesn't matter. It either works or it doesn't. If it works, great. If not, change, or become a Greyface.
I Believe.
Penumbral:
You are both missing the point (probobly all my falt.) The point is:
--- Quote from: Riff ---When you look at an apple, you don't see it as being red because the apple 'is' red or has any inherant 'redness'. You see red because light reflects off of the apple in a certain way, which hits receptors in your eyeballs in a certain way, which causes your eyes to send nerve impulses to your brain in a certain way. Your brain takes this information, and interprets it for you, into a mental image of a "red apple". If your eyes were a little different, the apple wouldn't be red. Ask any color-blind person. Or even better, ask someone afflicted with synaesthesia, who "sees" sounds and "hears" colors.
We do not -- can not -- experience any "real" objective reality. We live in a hologram, created by our brains in an attempt to explain to us the sensory information it's receiving from the objective universe. Everyone's brain is a little different, therefore everyone's hologram, their "reality" is a little different. Bats live in the same objective capital-R Reality as us, but they don't use light to see -- they use reflected sound waves instead. Their universes are completely different from our own, and you could not possibly accurately imagine what it's like to live in their "reality". And yet, being mammals, their brains are not significantly different from our own.
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That this belief dosent matter beacuse it dosent change anything! or do Anything!
And anouther point: People can base there whole life on the apple being red. They are wrong. But they eather dont care or don't know, and they base there life on somthing false. This is just an apple not a big deal, but there are people who have major beliefs that juge OUR life. Laws based on christion principals. Principals that many people here would argue false.
--- Quote ---Your statement that beliefs suck and don't matter is as wrong as can be. You can't live without beliefs, because, being unable in any way to perceive any Objective Reality, your beliefs are all you have to live in.
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Hello? Yes. You live in your beliefs. My point is your all living in falsehood. Espsally me.
I tried to write this as ratical as I could.
I also tried to point that out a small bit when I said.
-"believing that what you believe doesn't matter is still a belief."-
Slarti:
are you going to post the AIM convos? or are you just ignoring that stuff
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