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Morality sucks

Started by EraPassing, January 08, 2005, 09:05:21 PM

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Guido Finucci

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agent compassion

QuoteIn other news, the world's supply of sarcasm has been completely exhausted. A leading independant team of Swiss scientists are looking into using irony and satire as renewable replacements.

And now, here's Tom with the weather...

With that attitude, are you sure you want to study Conflict Resolution? Maybe Conflict Startination would be more up your alley...

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Guido Finucci

Quote from: agent compassionWith that attitude, are you sure you want to study Conflict Resolution? Maybe Conflict Startination would be more up your alley...

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agent compassion

QuoteShe toys with me as if I were nothing more than citrus garnish impaled on a cocktail straw.

I aim to please.

'I'll take you out for a meal with Mr. and Mrs. Pain, order up some violent quiche. Do you want some?' - ++++++ Moon


East Coast Hustle

Quote from: Era PassingI've decided to become completely amoral.
Not immoral; I have neither reason nor wish to do things against morality for immorality's own sake, because that's just being perverse. As far as I'm concerned, being "bad" is the same as being "good"; you're still making your decisions based on a scale of moral behavior. Screw that.
No, I've decided to become amoral because morality is the biggest mindfuck humanity has ever played on itself. As a social artifice, it sucks, and I no longer want anything to do with it.
Morality is supposed to be a social standard of right and wrong. The problem with that definition, though, is that society is not homogenous. While one person might think a particular issue is not particularly outrageous, another might think that the issue is the worst offense to humanity that has ever happened. There's simply no such thing as a moral absolute.
A better definition for the term is "Morality is whatever you want it to be whenever you need to justify your outrageous decisions that are guaranteed to harm someone else by completely trampling on their rights."
At least it's a more honest definition.
Let's take our Beloved Leader, for instance. He's anti-abortion. Well, he says he's pro-life, but that's obviously not true - in his term as governor of Texas, he certainly put that state's death penalty to use; he's even executed retarded people. And now he's involved us in a war that is killing innumerable women and children. Let me reiterate that point real quick - children. You know, those innocents that shouldn't be killed, just as he no doubt believes wholeheartedly is his justification for his anti-abortion stance. Murdering innocents is bad, yeah - but only when he says it is bad.
And let's take his stance on gay marriage - it destroys family values, yeah. Nevermind that divorce is the number one destroyer of families. We don't see him banning divorces - oh, no. Anyone with any wit whatsoever can see that the entire reason men and women can no longer be bothered to stick it out, ride out the bad times, work on their problems, and honor their promises to each other is because them unholy fags have cheapened the concept of marriage, right? Right! That's morality in action for you, right there! A shining example of it, in fact.
So, yeah. Well, I, for one, am tired of caring about people who don't care about other people in return. I'm tired of trying to make up my mind what is best for other people to do, especially since it's not my responsbility to decide for other people what's best for them. I'm tired of pretending it matters, when it obviously doesn't, because no one else really gives a damn about what's "best", especially when what is "best" might actually be the very thing that makes them go "ew!"
So screw morality.
Murder might be "bad," but frankly, some people just need to die.
Sex might be "bad," but I like it, and I'm too busy pursuing it myself to bother telling other people that they shouldn't do it, in whatever combinations they might prefer.
I personally might prefer to be bitten on the ass by a rabid polar bear than get married, but gay people want to do it, so I say let them slug it out with the self-righteous hypocrital santorum-heads masquerading as love-your-neighbor Christians, and may the best fag win. Although, I do think it would be interesting to see what happened if the gays were packing Uzis while the Christians relied on their One True God to help them win.
I'm tired of chewing my nails and missing out on sleep because of being worried about what's happening in Iraq - I've reached my tolerance point. If anyone else feels the same, I have booze, porn, and a bigscreen tv if you want to come over.

From now on, I'm not going to fool myself into thinking that "morality" is something that has any meaning or importance, that it's not just to make me toe the line and be a good girl. Can I get a "Fuck You" for moral values and a "Hell yeah!" for the loss of innocence?

In conclusion, I'd like to leave you with some lovely words of wisdom from Terrence McKenna that I've blatantly ripped off from someone who quoted him to me:

". . .what is real is you and your friends, and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears.
And we're told no, we're unimportant, we're peripheral. Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that, and then you're a player.
You don't even want to play in that game."

bump!
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Quote from: EraPassing on January 08, 2005, 09:05:21 PM
And let's take his stance on gay marriage - it destroys family values, yeah. Nevermind that divorce is the number one destroyer of families. We don't see him banning divorces - oh, no. Anyone with any wit whatsoever can see that the entire reason men and women can no longer be bothered to stick it out, ride out the bad times, work on their problems, and honor their promises to each other is because them unholy fags have cheapened the concept of marriage, right? Right! That's morality in action for you, right there! A shining example of it, in fact.

Marriage is the leading cause of divorce in this country. 

Marriage originally was 1-  A way to increase survivability of the family unit; and later became 2- A way for men to exert control over women.

In the modern era where natural selection is an ever decreasing part of the life equasion and where the state seems determined to develop children to it's own standards, the institution of marriage is superfluous.

I find it the height of arrogance to expect to be everything a partner would need for their development for the rest of our lives.  Add that to the reality that I am not the same person from one day to the next, much less one year to the next, it would be unfair to expect another individual to grow in the same ways that I do.

I like the Heinlein model of family where groups of people live communally with understanding and love, each performing according to their strengths, but then, since there are people involved, with all their attendant feelings and tendencies to get those feelings hurt, I really don't know about the practicality of that setup.

Also, I find the inundation of america's children with the Disney Ideal of a One True Love that will ride in and sweep the Little Princess off her feet to his castle to Live Happily Ever After to be a deplorable practice.  Brainwashing children to expect an Ideal results in disappointment.  People are fallible, mistakes inevitable, and it is unfair of the entertainment industry to offer any other version of reality.


As far as the main concepts of the post go, I view morality as a function of the indoctrination of the general viewpoints of the larger society a person grows up in, as that code relates to the intellectual revision applied due to personal experience and expedience of the moment/circumstance in which applied.  The most important thing though, in my opinion, is to explore yourself, and be comfortable with what you find, or change.  But above all, the standards must be your own, not blind obedience to what everyone else seems to expect.

Benaclypse

Quote from: East Coast Hustle on November 19, 2006, 06:35:32 AM
Quote from: Era PassingI've decided to become completely amoral.
Not immoral; I have neither reason nor wish to do things against morality for immorality's own sake, because that's just being perverse. As far as I'm concerned, being "bad" is the same as being "good"; you're still making your decisions based on a scale of moral behavior. Screw that.
No, I've decided to become amoral because morality is the biggest mindfuck humanity has ever played on itself. As a social artifice, it sucks, and I no longer want anything to do with it.
Morality is supposed to be a social standard of right and wrong. The problem with that definition, though, is that society is not homogenous. While one person might think a particular issue is not particularly outrageous, another might think that the issue is the worst offense to humanity that has ever happened. There's simply no such thing as a moral absolute.
A better definition for the term is "Morality is whatever you want it to be whenever you need to justify your outrageous decisions that are guaranteed to harm someone else by completely trampling on their rights."
At least it's a more honest definition.
Let's take our Beloved Leader, for instance. He's anti-abortion. Well, he says he's pro-life, but that's obviously not true - in his term as governor of Texas, he certainly put that state's death penalty to use; he's even executed retarded people. And now he's involved us in a war that is killing innumerable women and children. Let me reiterate that point real quick - children. You know, those innocents that shouldn't be killed, just as he no doubt believes wholeheartedly is his justification for his anti-abortion stance. Murdering innocents is bad, yeah - but only when he says it is bad.
And let's take his stance on gay marriage - it destroys family values, yeah. Nevermind that divorce is the number one destroyer of families. We don't see him banning divorces - oh, no. Anyone with any wit whatsoever can see that the entire reason men and women can no longer be bothered to stick it out, ride out the bad times, work on their problems, and honor their promises to each other is because them unholy fags have cheapened the concept of marriage, right? Right! That's morality in action for you, right there! A shining example of it, in fact.
So, yeah. Well, I, for one, am tired of caring about people who don't care about other people in return. I'm tired of trying to make up my mind what is best for other people to do, especially since it's not my responsbility to decide for other people what's best for them. I'm tired of pretending it matters, when it obviously doesn't, because no one else really gives a damn about what's "best", especially when what is "best" might actually be the very thing that makes them go "ew!"
So screw morality.
Murder might be "bad," but frankly, some people just need to die.
Sex might be "bad," but I like it, and I'm too busy pursuing it myself to bother telling other people that they shouldn't do it, in whatever combinations they might prefer.
I personally might prefer to be bitten on the ass by a rabid polar bear than get married, but gay people want to do it, so I say let them slug it out with the self-righteous hypocrital santorum-heads masquerading as love-your-neighbor Christians, and may the best fag win. Although, I do think it would be interesting to see what happened if the gays were packing Uzis while the Christians relied on their One True God to help them win.
I'm tired of chewing my nails and missing out on sleep because of being worried about what's happening in Iraq - I've reached my tolerance point. If anyone else feels the same, I have booze, porn, and a bigscreen tv if you want to come over.

From now on, I'm not going to fool myself into thinking that "morality" is something that has any meaning or importance, that it's not just to make me toe the line and be a good girl. Can I get a "Fuck You" for moral values and a "Hell yeah!" for the loss of innocence?

In conclusion, I'd like to leave you with some lovely words of wisdom from Terrence McKenna that I've blatantly ripped off from someone who quoted him to me:

". . .what is real is you and your friends, and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears.
And we're told no, we're unimportant, we're peripheral. Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that, and then you're a player.
You don't even want to play in that game."

bump!
Homogenous morality is the devil's smut shack, but conscience is divine when it learns to mind its own biznass.