another sign the machine is rotting

[LHX]

i guess two people can use the same tool for different purposes



a subtle difference between build and destroy

indeed. indeed. but don't downplay the effect that your unconcious has on you, and how ppl who know that WILL use that for their gain.

using the gloryhole subjects myself to such a thing.

true

fuck


the war we fight is so fucking subtle it makes me want to puke

[neongenesis816]

i guess two people can use the same tool for different purposes



a subtle difference between build and destroy

indeed. indeed. but don't downplay the effect that your unconcious has on you, and how ppl who know that WILL use that for their gain.

using the gloryhole subjects myself to such a thing.

true

fuck


the war we fight is so fucking subtle it makes me want to puke

It can be blatant too, but we loose the war when we broadcast it on the inter net, or tv.  Because it then becomes a different context, one that is controlled by Privately owned corporations.  We are in the hands of the ideals and beliefs of an elitist upper class.  They define the context that these "mediums" speak in to a certain degree.  I also believe tho that there is a more chaotic element (or it may seem chaotic to me at least) as to how this "message" is communicated through mediums, that we have no control over.

The transistor and data packet is mightier than the sword!

[LHX]

a corporation can own the medium
but
that has nothing to do with the effects that use of the medium can have

you can write ransom notes with government-issued stationery



the fact that we broadcast on 'their' networks means we win teh 'war'
dont it?

[neongenesis816]

a corporation can own the medium
but
that has nothing to do with the effects that use of the medium can have

you can write ransom notes with government-issued stationery



the fact that we broadcast on 'their' networks means we win teh 'war'
dont it?

Sure it does, where, when, and how the product is used and why is decided by the companies.  So no, the fact that we broadcast on their networks means they get a say in things.  That is caving in.

Example, Michael Moore.  His public perception (provided by none other than the film studios who finance and market him) is bad, and SECONDARY to the points he attempts to make in his films/documentaries.

If you have ever watched the News, you'll notice that things are ultimately put in the words of the people who finance and own the media outlets.  And it is not just how they edit it, but the fact that it is shown on TV during such and such time that decides who will listen, and what they will listen to.

[LHX]

so somebody has a say in what you just posted?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

i guess two people can use the same tool for different purposes



a subtle difference between build and destroy

Subtle as a wrecking ball.

[LHX]

a wrecking ball makes no noise as it sweep thru the air

[The Good Reverend Roger]

a wrecking ball makes no noise as it sweep thru the air

It does if you swing it fast enough.

[LHX]

not if its muffled by loud music and infomercials

[The Good Reverend Roger]

not if its muffled by loud music and infomercials

Not if you swing it fast enough.

[LHX]

...


this can only be settled with a wrecking ball and a stereo


what are the odds we are gonna settle this in the foreseeable future god of vengeful hatred?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

...


this can only be settled with a wrecking ball and a stereo


what are the odds we are gonna settle this in the foreseeable future god of vengeful hatred?

I think I can round up the wrecking ball.

[LHX]

...


this can only be settled with a wrecking ball and a stereo


what are the odds we are gonna settle this in the foreseeable future god of vengeful hatred?

I think I can round up the wrecking ball.

i got a cd player and some computer speakers

[Toots]

all i know is this:

there is no way of predicting or controlling what a man will do when he is under pressure that goes beyond his breaking point
and
there is no way of determining exactly what a mans breaking point is

ultimately
people cant be controlled OR trained

you can get them to submit to an unreasonable situation for a while
but
when the people start breaking
your ass is finished


'mental illness' is the proof in the pudding
and that shit is not declining
also
the drugs arent working

Let's break it down to the simplest form. There is no such thing as The Machine. (Concepts like The Machine, The Matrix are invented to keep the populace confused and make us think we're powerless.) It's just the same shit since time immemorial--there are rich people who are powerful because they have all the marbles, then there are the rest of the schleps who need to be controlled so that only a tiny fraction of the population can get all the marbles.

The breaking point can be calculated by those who care to know what it is, usually somewhere around not being able to eat or afford housing. So here comes North American society. The rich in North America (international corporations and the wealthy people controlling our governments) rob the rest of the world to make cost of living dirt cheap here. Overfed people are sleepy a lot of the time. You can take care of the rest of the time with TV and video games.

What critical thinking are you doing while playing Halo exactly?

There is also no such thing as mental illness. In the past the mentally ill used to be called heretics. The majority agrees to the way reality is, anyone who disagrees is mentally ill. Putting people on anti-psychotic drugs and anti-depressants works to precisely keep everyone docile=easier to control.

I just finished reading the biography of Lucrezia Borgia, it's astonishing how little has changed in government realms since the 16th century. Who runs our governments? Not the working poor that's for sure. Check out the Bush dynasty history if you don't believe.

Still, you got to keep up the good fight as Chomsky says--he points out that even the Vietnam war protest movement took years to organize. Change can be brought about, but it's a long and hard process of waking one person up after another. It's achievable, and that's not positive thinking here, but it's a hell of a hard job. In the end people will have to wake up or we'll go extinct.

Better hike up your sleeves ladies and gents. We have a lot of work to do.

[Cain]

No such thing as mental illness?  er...right.  I guess that those people who hear voices and suffer paranoid delusions that make them kill others are victims of Establishment conformity?  That psychotics and sociopaths are misunderstood?  Sure, some people have harmless illnesses and there is a nasty tendencey in some parts of the world to use anti-psychotics as tools of political repression.  But that does not invalidate the fact that mental illness exists.