LHX - short circuits - part 15 - they dont want you dead

[LMNO]

It still sounds like slave mentality.  "My body might be in chains, but my spirit flies in the sunshine."

[Wolfpoet]

Why would I want to win anybody over?

Convert people to my way of thinking? Have them follow my path? Show them my way is the best way?

Then I become the embodiment of that which I despise. the abyss looks into em as I glare at it and finds a nice little home in my heart.

My goal is to merely state how I think, how i feel, what drives me and motivates me. To share with people how I deal with the system and what I do to try and struggle against it's oppresion.

People read my words, understand what they will, like what they will, dislike what they will. Hopefully they take away something positive that effects their worldview in some way, evolves their way of thinking or at the very least gives them access to a way of thinikng not their own to reinforce or in some way positively effect how they deal with the system.

I'm not here to preach or convert, just to share.

[LHX]

Why would I want to win anybody over?

i think you answered your own question -

My goal is to merely state how I think, how i feel, what drives me and motivates me. To share with people how I deal with the system and what I do to try and struggle against it's oppresion.

[East Coast Hustle]

I think I more or less agree with what I think Wolfpoet was trying to say, and I don't think it's mutually exclusive with what we're trying to do, but it's not necessarily relevant to what we're trying to do either.

I also think that his poetic/metaphoric writing style is getting in the way of him making his point in the context of a discussion which is trying to focus on details and specifics.

IOW, to get the kids to the point where they have an intuitive understanding of concepts like that, we need to lead them by the hand with memes and references that they recognize and accept, and USE those memes and references as tools with which to impregnate their minds with the seeds of critical thinking.

[LMNO]

So we have to feel Trent's pain?

[Wolfpoet]

Your right in a way, it is a slave mentality.

Think about it.

We are born slaves to the system, fed propoganda in school, in the media, in society itself. We are all enslaved from an early age and indoctrinated into that servitude.

Some of us realise this and actively struggle against it. Most people never even realise they are slaves to system and some who do realise it don't have the moral courage or sense of self to struggle.

To wax metaphorical, Discorians are the freed slaves following a spartacus with a much better breast size and less testosterone (Eris). We are sitting on our hill facing down the Roman legions (the system). There are few of us and allot of them with shapr, pointy implemnts designed to give us a more personal appraoch to biology class.

The smart thing to do is to meekly surrender, say sorry and go back to our chains. But Discordianism is not about doing the smart thing, it's about doing the crazy thing the system never expects us to do.

Some walk up to the Romans and kiss them, others break into a musical song and dance routine. But none submit meekly.

Once you've opened your eyes there is no closing them.

If i have a slave mentality is it such a sin? It's merely accepting what I was, accepting what society wants me to be and changing myself to reject those chains.

[LHX]

If i have a slave mentality is it such a sin? It's merely accepting what I was, accepting what society wants me to be and changing myself to reject those chains.

the subsequent suffering would make a person wonder

[Scribbly]

You forget...

Wolfpoet is a Catholic.

if he didn't suffer, there would be something horribly wrong with that statement  

[LMNO]

The problem is, you're still feeding the System (tm).  The System (tm) doesn't care where your spirit is, if it can still use your body.

In other words, if that was the predominant mode of thought, Haiti would still be under French rule.

[Wolfpoet]

Humans are 98% water, yet we still drown.

It is possible to overload the system to the point where it collapses under it's own weight.

In a way by fighting the system you are also feeding it. By consistently giving the system an excuse to say:

"Look at these crazy Discordians, they don't accpet that I am your friend, they are strange, they are an example of what you should not be. the system is your friend, the system gives you stability, the system is what you know, fear what yo do not know, fear the Discordians, hate them."

In every revolution there are the fighters, the thinkers, the spies and the workers.

The fighters bring out the molotov cocktails and cute dutch shoes and throw them in the system. They tend to die in rather impressive ways but provide martyrs to follow.

The thinkers come up with ways for the fighters to go off and die for the cause.

The spies find out the juicy info that the thikers use to get the fighters killed.

The workers are the ones that actualy change anything at all. They tirelessly work hard behind the scenes, often within the system itself. they print the propganda, they organise the meetings, they talk to the people on a level the people understand. They are not firebrands, they are not radicals, they are ordinary people who think in ordinary ways. But they are ordinary people with their eyes open and all they want is to open the eyes of the person they work with.


If all the world where workers would we need a revoloution?

[Scribbly]

ZOMG STFU DIRTY COMMIE!!!111!1!1!!!1ONE

[Wolfpoet]

[quote="LHX
the subsequent suffering would make a person wonder[/quote]

It helps that in many ways I am a masochist. I suffer and find strength in that pain. To many today that sounds corny.

But when you switch on the news see all the shit going on, bodies lying in dusty streets, babies raped, peopel murderd for the small change in their pockets. You either switch yourself off and ignore it, gorw cold or dead inside or you suffer.

To realise your people, your race, is capapble of such fundamental evil and pay no more heed to it than if they shoot someone ina  computer game, this creates in me a pain that i can not realy describe.

Some days i truly want to kill every Human being on this planet. When i was younger an naieve i only wanted to kill the guilty then i grew up and came to understand that we are guilty just by being Human.

Later I came to realise it's not actualy our fault, it's hard-coded DNA that causes us to be such bastards.

later still i realised that it's not as hardcoded as people think. We can choose not to be bastards but to do so means going against every fibre of what it means to be Human.

History shows us that for every one who would make a difference there are thousands who don't care and hundreds who will actively fight you to keep you silent.

Every one who has stood has ended up a martyr to the cause.

This next sentence will no doubt be dismissed as nihilism at best and romanticised Emoism at worst but it is in many ways true.

Any Man or Woman who would stand against the system WILL suffer and will be in some way a painful and brutal martyr sooner or later. We will sufferfor our beliefs.

If you want freedom and knowledge you have to accept somebdoy is gonna nail you to that tree and take an eye in payment.

[B_M_W]

ZOMG STFU DIRTY COMMIE!!!111!1!1!!!1ONE

50 posts, Kai. 50 and no less. (unless you were being sarcastic).

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

Humans are 72% water

Fixed

[Scribbly]

I was being sarcastic... I usually am when I do capslocks of death >_>;