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And there are people worldwide who allow rape/murder to go on right in front of their eyes/within earshot and do not a fucking thing.  They teach women in self-defense classes to yell "Fire!" instead of "RAPE!" for this very reason.

I think it's conditioning, I really do.  There are those that abandon their children in dumpsters.  Why?  Because they have no innate sense of heroism?  Nah.  I think they are acting on instinct.  Why are there good samaritans, after a fashion, who will "save" you from your own situation when you're in mortal danger?  Because they are conditioned to do so.

I really thing it's a value judgment, and a learned one.  I think the old Darwinian principle of saving the bloodline actually holds more weight, thinking on it, than a visceral, altruistic notion of "how things oughtta be."

  That's what came to my mind, too, OB.

Wow, there's a bit of a generation gap for me in that one, but I get your meaning nonetheless.  (I'm 33, but I was never a technerd in ANY sense of the meaning)

I hope you find that "chick." 

I haven't heard the "holiday tree" shit...but I'm not surprised.  There is WAY more interest in not losing customers/viewers by "offending" them with Christ in the Christ-mass...than there is informing them about fossil fuels, pollution, global warming and international politix gone awry.

Almighty $ ftw.

I'll be very happy to read it.

I don't watch SHOWS anymore.  I just can't.  I'll watch movies...that's it.  Nothing else, really, is worth the time.  I'll watch the odd on-going thing, esp on HBO, but I just consider that an on-going movie.  Sopranos DOES kick ass.  And BBC International/Lehrer Newshour is about all the news I can stand, either.  *shrug*

But even if the mate is watching teevee, I'm on here or there, surfin 'nets.

I don't think there IS a problem with letting others fend for themselves.  Invariably those who shouldn't be bailed out and learn their lessons only harm you and themselves when others step in.  I'm not sure if the examples you gave are those of a helfpul, "learn or burn" nature...returning someone's stolen property doesn't make you an enabler in stupidity, per se.

I also don't think it's terribly heroic to stop injustice or perceived injustice.  It's something you have the character and moral basis for, or you don't.  You are acting on preconceived notions of right and wrong, and unless you're putting yourself in mortal danger by helping someone out, you're really just acting on morality and value judgments.

Sociopaths, to me, are those that have some semblance or even total dissociation from society and people in general.  They can't relate to friends in the positive or negative way that would be culturally acceptable.  Instead, they either passively aggressively ignore those around them, choosing to individuate their experiences to the exclusion of most positive social relationships, or they destroy what relationships already exist.  They have attachment to themselves only.  No one else.  Or as few as possible.

Family, now, that's a complex creature.  I think many take every opportunity to help their family members, and some quite the opposite.  Having not really studied any subculture other than my own, I can only suppose that it's a microculural phenomenon that fosters a sense of "save the brothers/sisters/cousins" first...

Powerful stuff.

Nicely said.  And CowDude is right...there are many who discover this shameful little secret and do fuckall.  Dulling yourself with teevee ftw.

I know.  I'm thinking that's not why I did it though.  But having left the lid off of Pandora's box, I should have just left well enough alone and let others handle it.

I did it for king and country. 

happy thanksgiving you fuckers. I hope those of you who celebrate it are enjoying good food and drink with good company, and those of you who don't celebrate it might check it out. It's one American tradition worth emulating.

And Happy Turkey Day to you, ECH.

Thanks for explaining your position.

Huh?

I guess being an admin means that you can't have an opinion.

Pffffft.

TGRR,
Knows that being an admin is like being a mod...you don't use board functions to "win" an argument.

I'll say this for it:  it's not fun when shit goes down.  I'd much rather be a lowly poster, even a hated and despised poster, than a self-righteous mod/admin.  I've been the latter lately and it sucks donkey balls soaked in shit.

Ebay calls today "National Sleep-In Day"...I wish.  I decided to get up at 5, not to shop, but to work.

Time and a half ftw.  *grateful she has a stay-at-home job*

happy thanksgiving you fuckers. I hope those of you who celebrate it are enjoying good food and drink with good company, and those of you who don't celebrate it might check it out. It's one American tradition worth emulating.

And Happy Turkey Day to you, ECH.

Thanks for explaining your position.

Uh, being called on the carpet for defense of someone who's defended me time and again from such attacks, and then basically calling it lust?  Nah.  I think I can take offense to that one.  If I'd had a dick, no one would accuse me for hunting entry into Rog's asshole.  Just saying.

Needless to say, this shit has gone on long enough.  I appreciate the efforts by PD staff to pour oil on the waters, but I hate being modded for sticking up for people.

Nuff said, Jenne out.  And I apologize for any unnecessary shit-stirring.  Here and elsewhere.

LOL at TI.

Cain, I wasn't tag-teaming, I was sticking up for a friend.  I know that behavior is non grata here, I don't give a "clusterfuck."  My loyalties are what they are.  Don't like em?  Don't read my posts, taverramuchly.

Hey, sorry I'm not THAT guy/gal who passes by a friend stabbed in the back.  *shrug*  Not a big fucking deal to me.

*will check outta here for a while*

Have fun, folks.  (this is sorta why I didn't bother posting much for a while)

Ugh.  That sucks.  I know of a few places like that in the desert, especially.  Fucked up, if you ask me. 

I used to hate the desert--but now, I find it beautiful in a sterile way.  It's stark and harsh.  But it's got a softness to its lines, especially in the dawn or sunset.

I envy you your present freedom.  I've been needing to "get away" since I got back from vacation.  But then, I'm always happiest on vacation.