I'd like to write a bit about Castaneda... I have read yesterday "Teachings of Don Juan- a Yaqui Way of Knowledge" and I'm enlightened... I'm gonna read 10 futher his books, then when I will have enough knowledge I'm going to Mexico and become a Shaman like he ;-)
OK, What is this book about- author goes to don Juan, Shaman of Yaqui tribe and learns for 3 years. He lerns all about pejotl (called by don Juan Mescalito), Datura inaxia, and Psilocybe mexicana. By these plants he tries to become a Crow, he forsees the future and talks with Mescalito. Finally, he has to struggle with other diablero and regain his soul. Book is full of descriptions of his visions, don Juans wisdom and specifical philosophy. Really, I can't wait to read the rest of his books. Asdx far as I know, later he is to lucid dreaming, travelling to other dimensions, falling into abysses of mind and becoming a real, "qualified" Shaman. Read it!
heh. That man was a real trickster.
Quote from: WeselinaI'd like to write a bit about Castaneda... I have read yesterday "Teachings of Don Juan- a Yaqui Way of Knowledge" and I'm enlightened... I'm gonna read 10 futher his books, then when I will have enough knowledge I'm going to Mexico and become a Shaman like he ;-)
OK, What is this book about- author goes to don Juan, Shaman of Yaqui tribe and learns for 3 years. He lerns all about pejotl (called by don Juan Mescalito), Datura inaxia, and Psilocybe mexicana. By these plants he tries to become a Crow, he forsees the future and talks with Mescalito. Finally, he has to struggle with other diablero and regain his soul. Book is full of descriptions of his visions, don Juans wisdom and specifical philosophy. Really, I can't wait to read the rest of his books. Asdx far as I know, later he is to lucid dreaming, travelling to other dimensions, falling into abysses of mind and becoming a real, "qualified" Shaman. Read it!
Dammit You spoiled it for me! :lol:
I bought a copy off a russian guy on wednesday... it's my holiday reading... Colin Wilson is for the Cricket season
Nah, it's not spoiled.
This is one of those books where the plot is of secondary importance.
It's the rest of the info that's important.
I just finished "The Art of Dreaming" by Castanada.
Quote from: illusionI just finished "The Art of Dreaming" by Castanada.
did you clear it with his estate?!?!?
anyways how long did it take you to write it?!?!?!
Yeah, but kinda after the fact, you know.....
Luckily they were cool about me adding to his work.
Heh.....I forget how careful one has to be about one says around you CG
sorry ... more like I was trying to mock the legitamacy of the work in the first place... sorry you got caught in the crossfire
No probbie. I didn't even realize I was getting shot at. :wink:
Casteneda is a CIA agent masqerading as an author pretending to be an Anthropologist, who dresses like a woman and pleads with ornithologists to take his work seriously, but since the CIA was infiltrated by the illuminati the day before it was created, and since the illuminati is a cover for POEE, and poee is a clever cryptic mocking of Tim Leary who really worked for the fbi, and drugs is an anagram of potatoe, then Id just ignore the whole damn debacle.
Unless you see a white crow..... then tremble with eldritch terror my buddy.
Carlos Castaneda started out legitimate, I think, but as soon as he found out he could make money... well, you know how that goes.
Quote from: Zombie¬?Carlos Castaneda started out legitimate, I think, but as soon as he found out he could make money... well, you know how that goes.
Maybe he was just too legit to quit!
...
:roll: I know, I know...
*stabs Medeo*
quotation from "Teachings of Don Juan":
Para mi solo racorrer los camonis que tienen Corazon...
That's all I remember in Spanish. During holidays I'm gonna read three more his books, so comments will be in August :)
Quote from: WeselinaI'd like to write a bit about Castaneda...
So would I. He's a joke...a self-parody.
I love this about Discordianism: The general area of culture/knowledge/literature we all end up in.
Discordianism leads to RAW, who mentions the whole donJuan thing in Cosmic Trigger. RAW also leads to Jung, Bucky Fuller, Tim Leary, Quantum Physics, James Joyce, and Crowley. Not to mention Disinfo.com.
Disinfo.com leads to more RAW, Genesis P-Orridge and throbbing gristle, MORE Crowley and Chaos Magick in general, Howard Bloom, etc.
HP Lovecraft works his way into there through various means. I was into Lovecraft before Discordianism, but I'm sure if I hadnt been Illuminatus would have got me interested.
It's just this big fucking web of ideas that you get jacked into!
Quote from: RocketLlamaI love this about Discordianism: The general area of culture/knowledge/literature we all end up in.
Discordianism leads to RAW, who mentions the whole donJuan thing in Cosmic Trigger. RAW also leads to Jung, Bucky Fuller, Tim Leary, Quantum Physics, James Joyce, and Crowley. Not to mention Disinfo.com.
Disinfo.com leads to more RAW, Genesis P-Orridge and throbbing gristle, MORE Crowley and Chaos Magick in general, Howard Bloom, etc.
HP Lovecraft works his way into there through various means. I was into Lovecraft before Discordianism, but I'm sure if I hadnt been Illuminatus would have got me interested.
It's just this big fucking web of ideas that you get jacked into!
you haven't got to william s. yet?!?!?
dude!
Quote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: RocketLlamaI love this about Discordianism: The general area of culture/knowledge/literature we all end up in.
Discordianism leads to RAW, who mentions the whole donJuan thing in Cosmic Trigger. RAW also leads to Jung, Bucky Fuller, Tim Leary, Quantum Physics, James Joyce, and Crowley. Not to mention Disinfo.com.
Disinfo.com leads to more RAW, Genesis P-Orridge and throbbing gristle, MORE Crowley and Chaos Magick in general, Howard Bloom, etc.
HP Lovecraft works his way into there through various means. I was into Lovecraft before Discordianism, but I'm sure if I hadnt been Illuminatus would have got me interested.
It's just this big fucking web of ideas that you get jacked into!
you haven't got to william s. yet?!?!?
dude!
Now his mind is blown for certain.
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSCQuote from: chaosgraves:agentoferisQuote from: RocketLlamaI love this about Discordianism: The general area of culture/knowledge/literature we all end up in.
Discordianism leads to RAW, who mentions the whole donJuan thing in Cosmic Trigger. RAW also leads to Jung, Bucky Fuller, Tim Leary, Quantum Physics, James Joyce, and Crowley. Not to mention Disinfo.com.
Disinfo.com leads to more RAW, Genesis P-Orridge and throbbing gristle, MORE Crowley and Chaos Magick in general, Howard Bloom, etc.
HP Lovecraft works his way into there through various means. I was into Lovecraft before Discordianism, but I'm sure if I hadnt been Illuminatus would have got me interested.
It's just this big fucking web of ideas that you get jacked into!
you haven't got to william s. yet?!?!?
dude!
Now his mind is blown for certain.
I forgot dear ole William Rectal Mucous Burroughs. I was into him before discordianism. I found HIM by way of David Bowie I think it was.
Ye gods! Mr. Burroughs!
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
David Bowie! :P
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomDavid Bowie! :P
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE indeed! Hail Saint David!
Hail, indeed!
Bowie's a Saint and a Prophet of Eris.
Quote from: SssBella, Oracle of DoomHail, indeed!
Bowie's a Saint and a Prophet of Eris.
And A Holey Squid Battler!
I have just finished next book of Castaneda "Second Ring of Power". Pity I couldn't have read all books in right order (it was 5th in serie) but again I'm amazed. In this book Castaneda comes back from the abyss and becomes a Nagual. At least this is what think all his camerades. Next for me is Art of Dreaming :)
Now, the question is:
Did Thornley, Greg Hill, RA Wilson, William S. B., Tim Leary, J.R. Dobbs, Ivan Stang, Hikem Bey (an important one most people seem to forget) and those involved in both, The Society for the Investigation of Claims of The Normal, as well as members of the Gurrilea Ontology group, work together to build this entire web of information, creating self-referential material?
I put forth the hypothesis that all of these individuals acted as a sort of feedback loop, which Eris used to increase the level of chaotic thinking and destructive evolution of philosophy. Perhaps, we could even find the first bits that she used to seed the loop... I vote Crowley and Lovecraft.
If this is true, then perhaps the rise of Discordianism/Erisianism is aligned with the rise of Ra-Hoor-Kuit who as Horus Crowley claimed, rules the Age in which we live.
Or not.
we lived in an unbalnced balnced age of bureacracy. self reference is not only inevitable, it's incredibly common. especially when you throw in appendices and indices.
Another possibility:
Crowley used copious amounts of Marijuana, 'shrooms and Auyahuasca.
Thornley, Hill, Leary, RAW, Burroughs, and Hikem Bey all used copious amounts of Marijuana, 'shrooms and LSD.
Is it possible that Leary's theory of the 8 systems of consciousness is right? He thought that some types of drugs acted as neurotransmitters which engaged these higher levels.
If all these guys tripped, some of them probably together, could they have tapped into the next level of consciousness? Perhaps the one that humanity will eventually evolve into....
Or maybe if Crowley had done LSD, he'd have become an acid-head and drpooed out of the OTO.
That's a really interesting theory.
I worked for a woman who knew Dr Leary and she thought he was correct about drugs acting as neurotransmitters.
PS: Can you tell me what Auyahuasca is, please?
Auyahuasca also known as Yage' is a drink made from a number of plants in the South American jungle. Usually it requires at least two different plants, one containing dimethyltryptimine (DMT) and the other containing an MAOI.
The Yage vine, Mimosa Hostillis Root Bark, various grasses all contain DMT, quite possibly the strongest hallucinatory drug known to man (with the exception of Salvia Divinorium, which is really difficult to use properly). However, the body quickly builds up a tolerance to DMT. so drinking a tea with DMT in it is useless. That is, unless you have another plant in the tea that contains an MAOI (MAO Inhibitor). When these to drugs are combined and consumed, you enter a world of different realities.
Most people who drink this particular concoction, find themselves watching a movie between them and reality. They see reality all areound them, but superimposed over that is another reality.
Today, many people take DMT in another fashion. They will extract it by freebase chemisty from the plant matter. This creates a yellowish crystal which can be smoked. After about three hits, the voyager no longer sees reality at all and usually find themselves folowing the same sort of trip that others have. Many times they see gnomes/faries/elves. In fact crytsalized DMT is sometimes called Elfspice.
The song written by Sid Barrett about the Little Gnome, is often thought to have been inspired by a DMT trip after all, as he sings... "The Gnomes Have Found A New Way To Say Hooray". This trip usually lasts 20 minutes or less and as Leary put it,
"It lasted for a million years and for a split-second. But it's over and now it's your turn."
Good stuff, of course highly illegal and I would never do anything illegal.
Ratatosk, Squirrel of Discord
Quote from: RatatoskMany times they see gnomes/faries/elves. In fact crytsalized DMT is sometimes called Elfspice.
The song written by Sid Barrett about the Little Gnome, is often thought to have been inspired by a DMT trip after all, as he sings... "The Gnomes Have Found A New Way To Say Hooray".
:shock: :P :shock: :P
:wink:
Ratatosk, I'm impressed by your knowledge about halucynogene plants! Really!!!
I have read pretty much about peyotl and it's visions, how it was used in religion. I'll translate few materials and put them down here :)