I tried to read Lovecraft to my kids the other day and it was an unmitigated disaster. Not because of the frequent racist themes, I picked the short story carefully to sidestep the worst of that. It wasn't because the story was too scary or too fantastical, either. Not even the obscure vocabulary and lazy reliance on entirely too many adjectives to pad out the word count. No, their problem is that they cannot relate with the narrator's inability to adjust to the information in front of him, his hesitation to re-evaluate his place in the cosmos on a moments notice. They are Children of the Strange Times, and they do not understand old ideas about reality.
The Children of the Strange Times have grown up with every iota of human knowledge available at their fingertips, and it's primary use is entertainment. Their arguments about facts are resolved by looking that shit up instead of relying on spotty memories. Their schools are full of legos and their textbooks are the laughingstock of every student. Learning isn't a thing they set aside time for, they just fall into wikiholes and come out the other end talking to you about the difference between cultivars of bananas and how every navel orange tree is the clone of a 200 year old mutant. Videos of deep sea monsters soothe them to sleep on restless nights.
The Children of the Strange Times have no religion, but they believe in everything. Tiny wiccans and hacker wizards fill the corridors, bragging to their less enlightened friends about how you can change the world with the right tools and the will to act. Everyone believes they can change everything, because they see it change all the time. Step-sisters become step-brothers and the only question is whether surgery was involved. They build robots and video games and write novellas before they break double digits and raise money for charity and march against oppression. Intractable issues like unrest in the Middle East are met not only with the typical "why don't they just..." of former generations but days of research and formal proposals and YouTube invitations for dialogue with the people on the ground.
It used to be if you were racist you could count on your kids to be racist. If you were Catholic or Protestant or Redneck or Irish, you could depend on those traits being inherited as surely as your great-grandfather's weird toe thing. Now there's white couples adopting Korean babies and Texans trying to get gay married and trust fund babies who just want to work on a farm. Nobody's inheriting anything. The Children of the Strange Times aren't limited to the bad signals their parents or village are sending out -- they tap into YouTube comments and flash games and minecraft server chatter. Parents try to teach their kids but the information's already beaten them to the punch. Sure they can't write by hand worth a damn, but the kids know what a Chordate is and how DNA damage causes cancer and do you know what a siphonophore is? Watch this video! It's grainy and has unnecessary dramatic background music and there's some Japanese guy freaking out in an inset screen, but the video is there all the same.
Before the Strange Times it took a village to raise a child, but the village got smashed and when we tried to rebuild it everything went sideways fast. Kids have two parents or one parent or four and nobody is embarrassed or ashamed or even confused with the exceptions of the adults. Classmates go on vacation halfway across the world to visit with family and pick afterschool activities based on visitation schedules. Teachers have given up trying to learn which adults are "parents." They find themselves saying "so well adjusted under the circumstances" and "you never would guess" so often you'd think they'd figure out that divorce and remarriage don't look like they used to, and that kids are more resilient than you think.
The Children of the Strange Times are always on the precipice of some grand new thing. They have no time to be afraid of anything. Their stuffed animals are the monsters that haunted our parents' nightmares, and their only fear is that Cerberus will be lonely if he doesn't have a dragon friend with him. Their compassion extends not just to dogs and cats but snails and skunks and tardigrades, too. I asked my kids if, in the event that a habitable exoplanet was found and they had access to a radio telescope that could send a hello message, they would take the risk and say hi, even with the possibility that the folks on the receiving end could be horrible and they could be inviting doom on the planet by hitting the button. "Of course we would!"
And if the governments of the world said not to?
"I'd do it anyway."
just
:mittens:
YUSSSSSS
I love this! Fuck yeah, weird kids!
Indeed this is most excellent. :mittens:
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though it's a shame more don't embrace cosmicism
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Regarding Lovecraft's racism, I find that it is generally only really blatant in his correspondences, not in his stories. If fact, if you look at the stories dispassionately, blacks and asians are generally depicted as being superior to whites; they know what's going on and accept it, rather than being trapped in a false conception of reality and wallowing in demonstrably unjustified narcissism like the white protagonist.
Except, no, again you are wrong:
http://www.racialicious.com/2014/05/28/the-n-word-through-the-ages-the-madness-of-hp-lovecraft/
QuoteLovecraft's racial biases ran deep and strong, as evidenced by his stories–from exotic locales with tropic natives lacerating themselves before mad gods in acts of "negro fetishism" (Call of Cthulhu), to descriptions of a black man as "gorilla-like" and one of the world's "many ugly things" (Herbert West — Re-animator). This was no abstract part of Lovecraft's creative process, where he was trying to imbue his work with some hint of realism. Rather, these were expressions of his foremost thoughts, a key part of his personal beliefs, most notably his virulent xenophobia towards an increasingly diverse American society emerging outside of his Anglo-Saxon New England.
QuoteIn his 1919 short The Street, the United States is represented as being colonized by "good, valiant men of our [Anglo-Saxon] blood who had come from the Blessed Isles across the sea" until ominous newcomers arrive, "swarthy, sinister faces with furtive eyes and odd features, whose owners spoke unfamiliar words ...."They brought with them alien thoughts, and had come to "tear down the laws and virtues that our fathers had exalted; to stamp out the soul of the old America – the soul that was bequeathed through a thousand and a half years of Anglo-Saxon freedom, justice and moderation." These swarthy men living in "rotting edifices" were "the brains of a hideous revolution" and "at their word of command many millions of brainless, besotted beasts would stretch forth their noisome talons from the slums of a thousand cities, burning, slaying, and destroying till the land of our fathers should be no more." Eventually, the sinister hordes are destroyed when their squalid homes (referred to as an infested "nest" filled with "stench") collapse, burying and killing all their kind in a genocidal apocalypse.
QuoteA similar story of foreign contagion, The Horror of Red Hook, goes full tilt into the race-baiting, with such wonderful descriptive characters as "an Arab with a hatefully negroid mouth." Charming.
One can find direct parallels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft:_Against_the_World,_Against_Life) between the racist imagery in his personal letters and his depicitions of revulsion, horror and degeneracy in his writings, where he is using the exact same words to describe non-white immigrants as he does to describe cosmic horrors.
This.
Was.
Fucking.
Incredible.
:mittens:
I'm glad this one hit! It's been sitting half-finished in a tab for like a week.
Quote from: Cain on July 14, 2015, 10:36:02 AM
Except, no, again you are wrong:
http://www.racialicious.com/2014/05/28/the-n-word-through-the-ages-the-madness-of-hp-lovecraft/
QuoteLovecraft's racial biases ran deep and strong, as evidenced by his stories–from exotic locales with tropic natives lacerating themselves before mad gods in acts of "negro fetishism" (Call of Cthulhu), to descriptions of a black man as "gorilla-like" and one of the world's "many ugly things" (Herbert West — Re-animator). This was no abstract part of Lovecraft's creative process, where he was trying to imbue his work with some hint of realism. Rather, these were expressions of his foremost thoughts, a key part of his personal beliefs, most notably his virulent xenophobia towards an increasingly diverse American society emerging outside of his Anglo-Saxon New England.
Lovecraft was definitely racist IRL and this certainly bleeds into the speech and mannerism's of his characters, but the point that I'm trying to make is that by the end of
Call of Cthulhu, for example, the beliefs of the negro cultists are totally vindicated whereas the worldview of the white protagonist is almost totally refuted
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 14, 2015, 03:35:45 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 14, 2015, 10:36:02 AM
Except, no, again you are wrong:
http://www.racialicious.com/2014/05/28/the-n-word-through-the-ages-the-madness-of-hp-lovecraft/
QuoteLovecraft's racial biases ran deep and strong, as evidenced by his stories–from exotic locales with tropic natives lacerating themselves before mad gods in acts of "negro fetishism" (Call of Cthulhu), to descriptions of a black man as "gorilla-like" and one of the world's "many ugly things" (Herbert West — Re-animator). This was no abstract part of Lovecraft's creative process, where he was trying to imbue his work with some hint of realism. Rather, these were expressions of his foremost thoughts, a key part of his personal beliefs, most notably his virulent xenophobia towards an increasingly diverse American society emerging outside of his Anglo-Saxon New England.
Lovecraft was definitely racist IRL and this certainly bleeds into the speech and mannerism's of his characters, but the [oint that I'm tryi g to make is that by the end of Call of Cthulhu, for example, the beliefs of the negro cultists are totally vindicated whereas the worldview of the white protagonist is almost totally refuted
They're "right" but their rightness is horrific and evil, and tied to them being less human than the white people. That's still fucking racist.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 14, 2015, 05:27:34 AM
a bunch of stupidity elided out of mercy
Why do you even keep typing. You just seem to be a reservoir of bad programming and erroneous data.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 14, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 14, 2015, 03:35:45 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 14, 2015, 10:36:02 AM
Except, no, again you are wrong:
http://www.racialicious.com/2014/05/28/the-n-word-through-the-ages-the-madness-of-hp-lovecraft/
QuoteLovecraft's racial biases ran deep and strong, as evidenced by his stories–from exotic locales with tropic natives lacerating themselves before mad gods in acts of "negro fetishism" (Call of Cthulhu), to descriptions of a black man as "gorilla-like" and one of the world's "many ugly things" (Herbert West — Re-animator). This was no abstract part of Lovecraft's creative process, where he was trying to imbue his work with some hint of realism. Rather, these were expressions of his foremost thoughts, a key part of his personal beliefs, most notably his virulent xenophobia towards an increasingly diverse American society emerging outside of his Anglo-Saxon New England.
Lovecraft was definitely racist IRL and this certainly bleeds into the speech and mannerism's of his characters, but the [oint that I'm tryi g to make is that by the end of Call of Cthulhu, for example, the beliefs of the negro cultists are totally vindicated whereas the worldview of the white protagonist is almost totally refuted
They're "right" but their rightness is horrific and evil, and tied to them being less human than the white people.
Perhaps, but in he world of he Cthulhu Mythos humans in general are a pathetically inferior race and being less human is therefore a good thing
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 14, 2015, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 14, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 14, 2015, 03:35:45 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 14, 2015, 10:36:02 AM
Except, no, again you are wrong:
http://www.racialicious.com/2014/05/28/the-n-word-through-the-ages-the-madness-of-hp-lovecraft/
QuoteLovecraft's racial biases ran deep and strong, as evidenced by his stories–from exotic locales with tropic natives lacerating themselves before mad gods in acts of "negro fetishism" (Call of Cthulhu), to descriptions of a black man as "gorilla-like" and one of the world's "many ugly things" (Herbert West — Re-animator). This was no abstract part of Lovecraft's creative process, where he was trying to imbue his work with some hint of realism. Rather, these were expressions of his foremost thoughts, a key part of his personal beliefs, most notably his virulent xenophobia towards an increasingly diverse American society emerging outside of his Anglo-Saxon New England.
Lovecraft was definitely racist IRL and this certainly bleeds into the speech and mannerism's of his characters, but the [oint that I'm tryi g to make is that by the end of Call of Cthulhu, for example, the beliefs of the negro cultists are totally vindicated whereas the worldview of the white protagonist is almost totally refuted
They're "right" but their rightness is horrific and evil, and tied to them being less human than the white people.
Perhaps, but in he world of he Cthulhu Mythos humanity as a whole is an inferior race and being less human is therefore a good thing
STOP FOCUSING ON THE MOST UNIMPORTANT, TINY DETAIL IN THE AWESOME PIECE OF WORK,
YOU PEDANTIC MORON.
That was fantastic.
I think a lot about the absurd eclectic world we live in, and the rapid-eye-motion speed of kids growing up in the post-dialup era. Even though I grew up in the era of card catalogs and family values, I have trouble imagining what it would be like to go back. It would feel barbaric.
If this neophilia and resiliency is part of a long curve... Do you think it will continue to increase? And if so, will there be a breaking point?
Like, is there a point at which this neophilia stops being a good adaptation to the world?
Quote from: Demolition Squid on July 14, 2015, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 14, 2015, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 14, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on July 14, 2015, 03:35:45 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 14, 2015, 10:36:02 AM
Except, no, again you are wrong:
http://www.racialicious.com/2014/05/28/the-n-word-through-the-ages-the-madness-of-hp-lovecraft/
QuoteLovecraft's racial biases ran deep and strong, as evidenced by his stories–from exotic locales with tropic natives lacerating themselves before mad gods in acts of "negro fetishism" (Call of Cthulhu), to descriptions of a black man as "gorilla-like" and one of the world's "many ugly things" (Herbert West — Re-animator). This was no abstract part of Lovecraft's creative process, where he was trying to imbue his work with some hint of realism. Rather, these were expressions of his foremost thoughts, a key part of his personal beliefs, most notably his virulent xenophobia towards an increasingly diverse American society emerging outside of his Anglo-Saxon New England.
Lovecraft was definitely racist IRL and this certainly bleeds into the speech and mannerism's of his characters, but the [oint that I'm tryi g to make is that by the end of Call of Cthulhu, for example, the beliefs of the negro cultists are totally vindicated whereas the worldview of the white protagonist is almost totally refuted
They're "right" but their rightness is horrific and evil, and tied to them being less human than the white people.
Perhaps, but in he world of he Cthulhu Mythos humanity as a whole is an inferior race and being less human is therefore a good thing
STOP FOCUSING ON THE MOST UNIMPORTANT, TINY DETAIL IN THE AWESOME PIECE OF WORK, YOU PEDANTIC MORON.
Well that's really the only at-all questionable thing. The rest is absolutely solid.
Requia didn't leave and never come back. She died and got reincarnated as PDS.
Quote from: Choppas an' Sluggas on July 15, 2015, 01:53:29 AM
Requia didn't leave and never come back. She died and got reincarnated as PDS.
Except that Requia was more intelligent and less socially reprehensible.
A marvelous observation and very well put!
I've noticed a certain trend with the rise of technology and human adaptation. We got used to each innovation within a generation and excel in each generation after as long as other factors allow the freedom to "play" with the new thing. Cars brought humans super land speed, for instance, and immediately after adoption of this Strange Thing the will and ability to use them accelerated swiftly indeed. We seem nearly unlimited in our adaptive capacity given a batch of young brought up in the newly changed environment. This, among other things, makes me truly wonder about our "limits" as adults and how much of it is self enforced by the notably "adult" traits like desiring comfort, stable routine, and giving ear to worry. ALL things that essentially encourage you to stay as and where you are. I think that we may often mistake this inertia for maturity and that this sort of "maturity" is partially responsible for much of our historical sorrows.
AND I THINK IT'S BREAKING AWAY FINALLY!!!
:banana: :magick: :banana:
I LOVE THIS WIZARD ICON
DON'T JUDGE!
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 15, 2015, 04:34:42 AM
A marvelous observation and very well put!
I've noticed a certain trend with the rise of technology and human adaptation. We got used to each innovation within a generation and excel in each generation after as long as other factors allow the freedom to "play" with the new thing. Cars brought humans super land speed, for instance, and immediately after adoption of this Strange Thing the will and ability to use them accelerated swiftly indeed. We seem nearly unlimited in our adaptive capacity given a batch of young brought up in the newly changed environment. This, among other things, makes me truly wonder about our "limits" as adults and how much of it is self enforced by the notably "adult" traits like desiring comfort, stable routine, and giving ear to worry. ALL things that essentially encourage you to stay as and where you are. I think that we may often mistake this inertia for maturity and that this sort of "maturity" is partially responsible for much of our historical sorrows.
AND I THINK IT'S BREAKING AWAY FINALLY!!!
:banana: :magick: :banana:
I LOVE THIS WIZARD ICON
DON'T JUDGE!
Agreed
Quote from: Edward Longpork on July 14, 2015, 09:01:29 PM
Like, is there a point at which this neophilia stops being a good adaptation to the world?
No longer beneficial? Highly unlikely except in the even more unlikely event that we somehow reach a point where we've discovered literally everything.
No longer beneficent? It could potentially mutate into paleophobia; that's how I got a lot of my bad attitude.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 15, 2015, 02:26:32 AM
Quote from: Choppas an' Sluggas on July 15, 2015, 01:53:29 AM
Requia didn't leave and never come back. She died and got reincarnated as PDS.
Except that Requia was more intelligent and less socially reprehensible.
I know, right?
Children have always been better at adapting to changes in the world than their parents. Probably at least part of the reason we're programmed to die after we've had them. Wasn't as noticable thousands of years ago when fuck all much changed from one century to the next. We hunted, we gathered, we slept in caves but, lately, the world is capable of becoming a completely different thing in the space of a couple of years. If it keeps going like this, sooner or later only babies are going to be able to function.
They'll just lie there, in their crib, calmly ordering a drone delivery of mushy apple sauce, online using a genetically engineered wifi organ while the rest of us walk around in a complete fucking future shocked daze. :lulz:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on July 15, 2015, 01:47:08 PM
Children have always been better at adapting to changes in the world than their parents. Probably at least part of the reason we're programmed to die after we've had them. Wasn't as noticable thousands of years ago when fuck all much changed from one century to the next. We hunted, we gathered, we slept in caves but, lately, the world is capable of becoming a completely different thing in the space of a couple of years. If it keeps going like this, sooner or later only babies are going to be able to function.
They'll just lie there, in their crib, calmly ordering a drone delivery of mushy apple sauce, online using a genetically engineered wifi organ while the rest of us walk around in a complete fucking future shocked daze. :lulz:
:lulz: baby's first exo-suit, because if you're not walking by 5 months you're going to get left behind.
Got caught up at work the other day and didn't get to finish reading this. So glad I came back to do so. That was fantastic! :mittens:
This is great. It's occurred to me that I enjoy HPL in a totally different way than he would have been appreciated in his own time (or shortly after). This articulates that difference in perspective really well.
Quote from: Choppas an' Sluggas on July 15, 2015, 07:25:53 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on July 15, 2015, 02:26:32 AM
Quote from: Choppas an' Sluggas on July 15, 2015, 01:53:29 AM
Requia didn't leave and never come back. She died and got reincarnated as PDS.
Except that Requia was more intelligent and less socially reprehensible.
I know, right?
I never said that racism wasn't bad or that Lovecraft himself wasn't racist or even that his narrators weren't racist; just that his narrators were demonstrably not only wrong but completely backwards. That's what the narrators are reacting to at the end, they're so racist that as much as anything else they're horrified hat the black or asian guy they encountered earlier in the story was right about something
Just say the word, QG.