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That is actually quite interesting, I do think there is some electromagnetic component in these phenomenon though.  Interferance of some kind certainly.  Did they go further in these experiments?  If it can be artificially induced, perhaps there are conditions where it can naturally occur?

Mmmh, this thread had so much great stuff, it's a pity that there are mud holes everywhere.
maybe you should have eplained it to him in an easy way, I'll try, I can't write complicate English, cause it's not my native language:
@Lupi:
You said only humans evolved (oh, I can't even write this without getting goosebumps!): what makes you think so?
Have you been outside recently?
Apes are not very far from humans, in fact, they have self awarness, sense of humor, are able to play 'pretend' and Bonobos even have sex for fun and many birds recognize themselves in mirrors. just because they don't like sitting on a desk in a city office cube all day doesn't mean they didn't "evolve".
For my opinion, humans are no superior being in any way, they can't run fast, can't fight very good and have hardly any insulation left. We are pretty professionalized in cognitive thinking and are able to write our knowledge down for future generations, that's true, but that's all (or would you be able to invent the car new from scratch?).
And, as mentioned, it happended a lot the last thousand years: lactose tolerance in some areas (as mentioned), less ability to digest raw food, esp. meat, and our jaw went smaller, too: no room for wisdom teeth anymore... I'm sure there's more, esp. on molecular bases.
changes also depend on how fast the generation-change of a spezies is.
The only parts, where changes are faster and more obvious in long living animals, is usually when humans stick their fingers in (as to say breeding). But breeding is not adapting, those animals are less suitable for nature.
For me it's pretty obvious, that nothing on this planet is 'processing' towards a goal. Why? You never know how the environment will change (or how we will make it change)! There's nothing planned, it's adaption.

I have a question and hope I don't sound stupid, I don't have a professional insight into this and didn't read much books:
Are you able to lose information forever?
In bred animals, most professionals (sheep with ever growing hair, pigs with hardly any fat, hens who lay eggs, even when not fertilized...) are not able to survive in nature anymore. But we have seen, that some survive and adapt perfectly into niches again (Dingos, horses... and even regular house pigs managed to survive outside in winter). What would you call this re-adaption in a very short time (took less time than the breeding)?

thanks lilith, I appriate that.

I think something similar, how have humans adapted in civilised society to  actually survive?  Outside of our very specialised and artiificial envirnment, how long would we survive without our technology and lacking hunter's adaptations (except our brains).  One theory I consider is that maybe our ability to create for creation's sake and to record is our purpose, to record and act as a kind of sensory apparatus for the universe.  It's hard to explain but my belief is that everything in the universe is interconnected (an extrension of Gaia theory I suppose) in the same way the cells in our bodies are interconnected yet independant.  We are our own private universes and processes and events take place every second of which we have no awareness or control yet they occur, for our good or our detriment.  Now I'm not saying the universe is some vast spaghetti monster or suchlike, just that life attracts more life and is somehow connected through means we cannot yet quantify nor understand but are maybe on the verge of suspecting.  Religion stood on the verge and then got frightened and turned back.  Realisation that we are very small and unimportant in the universe is not a nice thought to have.

But yes, back to your post, we are not behaving well towards our own survival nor that of those creatures around us, maybe we're a virus?

Lupernikus is some sort of bizarre synthesis of Wolfpoet and Eldora.

he is also either the dumbest or the most willfully ignorant person I've seen on here in a long time, including Lamanite and CowAss.

also, further proof that anyone with a username relating in any way to wolves is almost certainly a dipshit.

also also, I bet he wears sweatpants in public.

My username is a joke but thank you for comparing me to strangers.  You can check around and find I was very polite and reasonable until people started to get personal and childish; I thought this site was going to avoid all of that rubbish; it would seem that i am wrong.....some folk appear to enjoy making fun of complete strangers they'll never meet wherever you go...shame really

If by willfully ignorant you mean "disagrees with me" then yes I indeed am and proud of it.  Perhaps one day you'll grow up and realise your opinion is not what Western Civilisation is built upon.

I don't wear sweat pants period.  In case you wish to draw any further poorly judged ideas about m, let me clear it up before I say ba-bye to this place (one day of this is enough, came here for a laugh, not an ego brawl);  I am a National Cross Country Mountain Biking Champion and therefore not fat.  I am a published author and therefore not in need of affirmation or respect.  I am happily married and therefore not needy or of questionable sexuality. Just because I avoid mathematically based sciences, i am no fool and never will be but thanks for the mature comments, i shall treasure them always.  I came on here for a bit of fun, a bit of research and irreverant chat.  I met with supersized egos and the usual pack mentality one finds on these kinds of webpages, why do I bother.  Neophobes the lot of you (not all, sorry some of the people I've met have been rather cool).  Oh and no, not published as in on a wee webpage or stapled periodical either.


anyway, I've had enough so have fun and I shan't be back here again.
Ciao

Honest question - what'd you write?

thanks; science fiction, some poetry and a bit of fantasy fiction...novel in progress now which is what I'm researching

hey, his opinions are completely valid just because they're his opinions!

you be nice!

everyone's opinions are valid because they ARE their opinions.  If you don't agree with their opinions you can TRY to convince them of yours.  You may not always succeed but once you realise debate is not about winning or losing but perhaps learning from each other, you begin to accept that.  I wasn't at my debating best yesterday and apologise that I let emotion get in the way.  I will delete this account once I've replied to any posts I've received and then move on, ne'er to darken these portals again.

I'm sorry we don't think exactly the same way you do.

Mate, that was never my point, it was HOW certain people disagreed which I had a problem with.  I know some folk enjoy ranting on the internet but I'm not one of them.  If just one person had calmly explained I would have listened but various people immediately seized the opportunity to jump all over my opinions rather than discussing, which is what i was hoping for.

I choose to leave (just wanted to see how long this would carry on without me here before I left, is that i don't feel there is much for me to gain here, so I'll look for an alternative instead. 

Lupernikus is some sort of bizarre synthesis of Wolfpoet and Eldora.

he is also either the dumbest or the most willfully ignorant person I've seen on here in a long time, including Lamanite and CowAss.

also, further proof that anyone with a username relating in any way to wolves is almost certainly a dipshit.

also also, I bet he wears sweatpants in public.

My username is a joke but thank you for comparing me to strangers.  You can check around and find I was very polite and reasonable until people started to get personal and childish; I thought this site was going to avoid all of that rubbish; it would seem that i am wrong.....some folk appear to enjoy making fun of complete strangers they'll never meet wherever you go...shame really

Bull. Shit.

You were being far from polite and reasonable, and I never got personal and childish with you. Neither did LMNO, afaics. This site is filled with hairless apes, we often act like it.

Making fun of strangers? Not really, making fun of their patently ridiculous and poorly thought out "opinions"  more like.

If by willfully ignorant you mean "disagrees with me" then yes I indeed am and proud of it.  Perhaps one day you'll grow up and realise your opinion is not what Western Civilisation is built upon.

Not you mate, you weren't rude but look at people spoiling for a fight who immediately were rude and insulting.  I responded to them, perhaps I should have kept it out of the forum and for that I apologise.  However, instead of just trashing my ideas, why not fill the gaps in my knowledge and calmly and pleasantly explained their viewpoint I'd have read and listened.  "Oi you're thick and therefore a wanker" does little to endear however.  I did say that I didn't include you in my less friendly comments though. 

Simply I am bored though, I had hoped people would explain their views to me nicely before lilith did (which i appreciate by the way) but they chose not to.  I do apologise to anyone who was offended but I'd already been wound up by apes by then
Science and the scientific method ARE what a great deal of western civilisation is built on. Is this another of your poorly judged and researched comments again? Hey, weren't you railing against the prevelance of this type of thought earlier in one of these threads?

I don't wear sweat pants period.  In case you wish to draw any further poorly judged ideas about m, let me clear it up before I say ba-bye to this place (one day of this is enough, came here for a laugh, not an ego brawl);  I am a National Cross Country Mountain Biking Champion and therefore not fat.  I am a published author and therefore not in need of affirmation or respect.  I am happily married and therefore not needy or of questionable sexuality. Just because I avoid mathematically based sciences, i am no fool and never will be but thanks for the mature comments, i shall treasure them always.  I came on here for a bit of fun, a bit of research and irreverant chat.  I met with supersized egos and the usual pack mentality one finds on these kinds of webpages, why do I bother.  Neophobes the lot of you (not all, sorry some of the people I've met have been rather cool).  Oh and no, not published as in on a wee webpage or stapled periodical either.


anyway, I've had enough so have fun and I shan't be back here again.
Ciao

I don't care who you are IRL, or what you've done. I tried to point you in the right direction several times, but you ignored it.

I don't really think we'll miss you, or be anything but amused by your flounciness,

which is why i won't, I've got better things to do with my life than give sad little boys a hard on

Lupernikus is some sort of bizarre synthesis of Wolfpoet and Eldora.

he is also either the dumbest or the most willfully ignorant person I've seen on here in a long time, including Lamanite and CowAss.

also, further proof that anyone with a username relating in any way to wolves is almost certainly a dipshit.

also also, I bet he wears sweatpants in public.

My username is a joke but thank you for comparing me to strangers.  You can check around and find I was very polite and reasonable until people started to get personal and childish; I thought this site was going to avoid all of that rubbish; it would seem that i am wrong.....some folk appear to enjoy making fun of complete strangers they'll never meet wherever you go...shame really

If by willfully ignorant you mean "disagrees with me" then yes I indeed am and proud of it.  Perhaps one day you'll grow up and realise your opinion is not what Western Civilisation is built upon.

I don't wear sweat pants period.  In case you wish to draw any further poorly judged ideas about m, let me clear it up before I say ba-bye to this place (one day of this is enough, came here for a laugh, not an ego brawl);  I am a National Cross Country Mountain Biking Champion and therefore not fat.  I am a published author and therefore not in need of affirmation or respect.  I am happily married and therefore not needy or of questionable sexuality. Just because I avoid mathematically based sciences, i am no fool and never will be but thanks for the mature comments, i shall treasure them always.  I came on here for a bit of fun, a bit of research and irreverant chat.  I met with supersized egos and the usual pack mentality one finds on these kinds of webpages, why do I bother.  Neophobes the lot of you (not all, sorry some of the people I've met have been rather cool).  Oh and no, not published as in on a wee webpage or stapled periodical either.


anyway, I've had enough so have fun and I shan't be back here again.
Ciao

yes, yes whatever makes you happy

sad, that's all I can say....I really am leaving it there now

I think it's called an impasse isn't it?

please don't put words into my mouth, thank you...I didn't say that

so you and some others are obviously very up on scientific thought and theory and I am not.  This makes me wrong in your opinion which is fine.  Why not accept that I can have another opinion and leave it there?

so basically I'm not from a scientific background nor massively well read on the subject therefore I'm thick because I look for alternative explainations to some things?  That's the gist eh?

I didn't know that but i accept your point

not true, possible