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I mean, i personally feel sorry for the Joker, that doesnt mean he doesnt need to be put down like a rabid dog... people are so bad with their emotions, they cant generally see others as anything more than a "good object" or a "bad object", either overlooking their flaws or overlooking their good qualities... its technically incorrect to call it a defense mechanism, but colloquially speaking thats what it is, its much easier to idealize or demonize rather than having a complicated appreciation of what someone actually is.

From society's point of view it's a useful shorthand. The group is probably strong enough to lose a bad apple or two whereas any attempt to give the benefit of the doubt carries a risk of the fucker doing the same thing again. Looking at it strictly pragmatically, why bother trying?

The question then becomes - what is considered too far gone? Thus we've become accustomed to find certain crimes particularly abhorrent and unforgivable. It varies from society to society but there are common themes. Painting these criminals as monsters is an easy way to avoid any moral backlash or cold feet about how they're dealt with.

To be honest I don't have a problem with this. Just because I can empathise with the set of events that led an innocent child to grow up into a demented fiend from the pits of hell doesn't mean I want the bastard living next door to me. Sure, there may be a way to  get through to them and rehabilitate but how many tax dollars do I have to stick in the pot to find out? What's the risk to me and my family? Maybe there's more important things to spend my money on than lost causes with a proven track record for mischief.

It sounds like somebody came in contact with people

who successfully presented themselves as "powerful" and "in the know"

and the audience to this performance wants to validate their ticket purchase

by convincing others that the ticket was a great buy

The marketing model of every religion ever

I'm a massive fan of tv and movie "monsters" Dexter, Hannibal Lecter, Ramsay Bolton...

When they're played and written so well that I find myself rooting for them, is when I realise they're not monsters at all, they're just people like me with different wiring or life histories. I don't personally subscribe to the christian notion of objective good and evil. Rather, I feel good and evil are social mores. Fine there's some acts that, in the overwhelming majority of opinions, are condemned so vehemently that they might as well be objective evil but they're not and that's an important distinction to me.

Well constructed villains remind me not to blame satan for everything wrong in the world and also how much in common I actually have with the sinners and the damned. On top of that there's catharsis. Any time I've had that blood boiling moment where I just wanted to kill a motherfucker, I can work it out my system vicariously through Tommy DeVito or Norman Bates.

I'm pretty much always rooting for the bad guy. It's a safe way to explore those unrealised parts of our nature that, fortunately, for the most part, stay dormant. Could be anyone, tho, bump on the head or a really shitty couple of weeks and Martha f'kin Stewart might be standing over a pile of bodies, drenched in blood and stroking her chainsaw.

And thats the beauty in a movie such as "Monster" (Charlize Theron)... whatever in our relative morality we consider as the worst, we call them "monsters" to dehumanize them because we cant stand the fact that we could empathize with or understand them, its much more easier to just write them off as unhuman... thats the premise of the movie, a person whose entire life was a shit situation and everyone walking all over her one day starts killing people, not because they are an unhuman demon, but because they had no safety nets or support, society left them out in the cold to die, so at one point they snapped and stopped caring as others stopped caring for them...

Then theres the Joker... whats his catchphrase? "All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day."

And as cliche as it might sound, theres some truth to Nietzsches saying "He who fights with monsters, must take care of not becoming one himself".... in the sense that sure, serial killers tend to see their victims not as a fellow human but as objects, but so are we doing the same thing considering them not a fellow human but a "monster"...

Wheter we like it or not were all human, despite all the sick motivations and flawed logic that gets used to do something.

Exactly. Of course, with that in mind, I daresay there's at least a few individuals out there so close to the edge that all it might take is identifying with Dexter to push them over into doing something about it. So is glorifying violence a good or a bad thing? Both IMO. Life aint black and white and neither is entertainment.

I'm a massive fan of tv and movie "monsters" Dexter, Hannibal Lecter, Ramsay Bolton...

When they're played and written so well that I find myself rooting for them, is when I realise they're not monsters at all, they're just people like me with different wiring or life histories. I don't personally subscribe to the christian notion of objective good and evil. Rather, I feel good and evil are social mores. Fine there's some acts that, in the overwhelming majority of opinions, are condemned so vehemently that they might as well be objective evil but they're not and that's an important distinction to me.

Well constructed villains remind me not to blame satan for everything wrong in the world and also how much in common I actually have with the sinners and the damned. On top of that there's catharsis. Any time I've had that blood boiling moment where I just wanted to kill a motherfucker, I can work it out my system vicariously through Tommy DeVito or Norman Bates.

I'm pretty much always rooting for the bad guy. It's a safe way to explore those unrealised parts of our nature that, fortunately, for the most part, stay dormant. Could be anyone, tho, bump on the head or a really shitty couple of weeks and Martha f'kin Stewart might be standing over a pile of bodies, drenched in blood and stroking her chainsaw.

The part of town I live in is FILLED with illegal immigrants. I know I'm dense, and stupid, but what I SEE in how they help complete strangers and don't burn the whole fucking place to the ground, makes me wonder, because a lot of these folks are a lot more decent than what we accept as an "american"... I start to feel ashamed of being an American because obviously good, hardworking people cannot be citizens of our country. They must've failed the "bastard" test.

EDIT: We have a thriving market here, just down the street. And no, it's not Wal-mart. We have businesses in the area, and a lot of them, that cater to people who don't speak a word of english. This is fine, although, nobody speaks english, so it's difficult to communicate what services you need. The residents of this community have been much more kind to me than other places I've lived. I can't understand, so I watch them, and when I do, I see the kind of morals we lost somewhere, fifty years ago, just in terms of kindness for random strangers. Then I read these alarmist news articles about homicidally inclined illegals, and my brain goes, yeah, that does happen, but our citizens commit a lot more murders than these folks, and don't even get me started on "Florida Man".

It's a trite one-liner and I've used it to death to shut down casual racist pricks who make the mistake of thinking I'd be down with their inferior, petty, half-arsed hatred of humanity but it's also gospel truth - 100% of people who have personally fucked me over, given me shit or plain attacked me in the street have been Caucasian just like me. If I was gonna get on board with racism then I'd be going after whitey.

But why limit yourself?

FYI, Jesus wasn't white.

Given that he was an allegory for an astrological observation, yeah, he wasn't white. He was yellow. Really fucking bright - don't stare at the fucker or you'll melt your retina - yellow.

The EU did basically lowkey tell us to overthrow her yesterday.  Obviously they can't explicitly call for regime change, they're not Americans...but it was nevertheless very telling.

She's sort of like Thatcher chewing on paint chips, really.

Good to know I wasn't mistaken. I wasn't alive for that time period but the impression I got from The Stories was that May is Thatcher's self destructive, idiotic sister.

She's essentially Thatcher, minus the cock and balls.

I fucking love the MCU shit. Aesthetics, SFX, ott characters and corny dialogue. What's not to like? DC, otoh, go all po faced and try to make me take their shit seriously so fuck those clowns. Heath Ledger was awesome but the Dark Knight actually sucked balls. It's easy to miss that, tho cos Heath Ledger was so fucking awesome in it. Same deal as Gollum being so f'kin amazing you don't notice the second LoTR movie was complete wank.

Watchmen, I actually enjoyed the movie almost as much as the comic. I realise I'm the only one on earth who feels this way and am strangely comfortable with that.

I'm rooting for you buddy. If you're bipolar then that puts you on my team. Yeah, it's a fucking curse but there's a blessing there too if you can reign it in.

You're an empire in it's death throes. This is all perfectly normal. Horses get appointed to senate and emperors golf while the nation burns.

Thanks guys! Cont-troll - I was a bit fast and loose with the zombification cos I wanted to go for a kinda pinup/hawt look so the eyes didn't get cloudy, the teeth are a bit to clean and the hair not as fucked up as it probably would have been. Took just over a month, working nights and weekends. Yeah - a lot of work.

That's where y'all come in. I feel like I hang out here too much and this forum has fucked up my head. So only logical solution is to fuck up the forums head back.

Pretty sure the 90's beat you to the punch

I'm thinking scotland is going to get particularly hilarious real soon. On one side we have a bunch of spineless hippies screaming for independence on the other side we have battle of the boyne reenactment society whom, ever since the last indyref, have preactically replaced roman catholics with nationalists as the target of their loyalist bile. Could get messy and civil war-y if the nats can just find their way to growing some balls. Martial Law anyone? So much opportunity for profit and lulz I'm practically salivating.

Oh, THIS is rich:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-on-omar-to-resign-over-remarks-condemned-as-anti-semitic/ar-BBTuZgW?ocid=spartanntp

Trump calling anyone out on racism? 

I love how, just when you're convinced that he's come out with the dumbest shit imaginable, he goes and blurts out something even more retarded. He's like the window licker that just keeps giving