http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/08/26/1513215/synchronized-virtual-reality-heartbeat-triggers-out-of-body-experiences
Off the subject and just out of curiosity, how much of this brain damage are you gonna spew?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 07:00:09 PM
Off the subject and just out of curiosity, how much of this brain damage are you gonna spew?
This.
Like I said on your first thread: Pool's on the roof.
Quote from: Suu on August 26, 2013, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 07:00:09 PM
Off the subject and just out of curiosity, how much of this brain damage are you gonna spew?
This.
Like I said on your first thread: Pool's on the roof.
What she means is that the psychobabble goes in Principia Discussion, the top forum on the list.
That's not mandatory or anything. You can post it anywhere you like. It's just that people like Suu and I (and some others) twitch when we see it, and we get very rude.
It's mostly because we're bad people. That's why we have to stay in Apple Talk and Aneristic Illusions. Otherwise ECH (the board owner) gets very cross and raises his eyebrow at us.
Sometimes, he's even sarcastic. :shudder:
Actually, I thought that was really interesting research and would love to try out the technique they outline.
I found it surprising that visual information about your heart rate can inform your body awareness.
Only out of body experience I ever had was a side effect from Klonopin. I was driving along, and then I wasn't driving along, I was in the back seat watching myself drive along. It made driving very interesting, like trying to control the Jeep while wearing boxing gloves and clown shoes.
Needless to say, I stopped taking Klonopin. OBEs are very overrated. I'm still trying to figure out shit regarding IN body experiences.
The video at the bottom of the article (http://www.gizmag.com/visualized-heartbeat-out-of-body-experience/28728/) shows the methodology. It looks like the disassociation relies on you seeing the tiny sway and movements of your body in an external location. They also took off the participant's shirt, probably so he really identifies with the image he sees.
So what if you had a motion capture device, like a Kinect, and used this technique... but showed the person an image of a digital avatar instead of their real self. If the motion capture picked up all those little unconscious movements, maybe the avatar would fool the person too.
This reminds me of Jaron Lanier's discussion about VR avatars and body disassociation. Here's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9eFZpdSeRU&t=6m30s) an interesting anecdote he tells about putting people in a VR environment when a bug happens and your avatars no longer match a real body's proportions.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 07:06:45 PM
It's mostly because we're bad people. That's why we have to stay in Apple Talk and Aneristic Illusions. Otherwise ECH (the board owner) gets very cross and raises his eyebrow at us.
Sometimes, he's even sarcastic. :shudder:
That bastard.
No really dude, I think you'll find what you're looking for in Principia Discussion, not Apple Talk.
Quote from: Cramulus on August 26, 2013, 07:28:08 PM
The video at the bottom of the article (http://www.gizmag.com/visualized-heartbeat-out-of-body-experience/28728/) shows the methodology. It looks like the disassociation relies on you seeing the tiny sway and movements of your body in an external location. They also took off the participant's shirt, probably so he really identifies with the image he sees.
See, my problem isn't the HOW. We know disassociation is possible. My question is WHY? What's the point of inducing a condition in yourself like that? I've had it once, and it was unpleasant as hell. There wasn't any "astral" to it, just an intense desire to be back where I belonged (ie, the driver's seat).
I just fail to see the usefulness of making your mind malfunction to no gain. Nothing you see during that state is real. It's just that you have chemically (or optically, or whatever) caused your brain to misinterpret data it receives from your nervous system.
It's sort of like saying, "I can now, with modern automobiles, cause the brakes and the steering input to become confused with one another, and I think I can create an out-of-automobile experience if I go fast enough".
Basically, I see it as a waste of time and effort, no different than watching people suck up Harmine so they can SEE TEH UNIVERSE. You can already see the fucking thing, it's RIGHT THERE. Intentionally distorting your view doesn't help.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 07:34:32 PMSee, my problem isn't the HOW. We know disassociation is possible. My question is WHY?
QuoteAccording to the team, this is the first study that clearly shows how visual signals containing information about the body's internal organs (in this case, the heartbeat) can change their perception of themselves. "It confirms that the brain is able to integrate visual information with cardiac information," says Aspell. "It seems that the brain is very sensitive to patterns in the world which may relate to self – when the flashing was synchronous with the heartbeat this caused changes to subjects' self-perception."
The research could help people with distorted views of themselves to connect with their actual physical appearance. "Patients with anorexia seem to identify with a body which is larger than their physical body," Aspell tells us. "We could use this manipulation to help patients with anorexia to identify with their actual physical self."
Aspell is currently studying "yo-yo" dieters and says she plans to continue investigating "how the internal body shapes who we are." The Swiss National Science Foundation and the Fondation Bertarelli supported the study which is slated for publication in the APS journal Psychological Science.
Quote from: Cramulus on August 26, 2013, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 07:34:32 PMSee, my problem isn't the HOW. We know disassociation is possible. My question is WHY?
QuoteAccording to the team, this is the first study that clearly shows how visual signals containing information about the body's internal organs (in this case, the heartbeat) can change their perception of themselves. "It confirms that the brain is able to integrate visual information with cardiac information," says Aspell. "It seems that the brain is very sensitive to patterns in the world which may relate to self – when the flashing was synchronous with the heartbeat this caused changes to subjects' self-perception."
The research could help people with distorted views of themselves to connect with their actual physical appearance. "Patients with anorexia seem to identify with a body which is larger than their physical body," Aspell tells us. "We could use this manipulation to help patients with anorexia to identify with their actual physical self."
Aspell is currently studying "yo-yo" dieters and says she plans to continue investigating "how the internal body shapes who we are." The Swiss National Science Foundation and the Fondation Bertarelli supported the study which is slated for publication in the APS journal Psychological Science.
I take that with a bit of a grain of salt, but okay, let's assume that's feasible, that you can use OBE to alter your view of yourself. In the case of anorexia, it's not going to help, because the problem isn't the person's self-image. But let's stipulate that it WILL, done properly, help people with distorted body images. And then let's look at the idea of a bunch of people trying this shit on their own...
Wait.
I am 169% behind this, and I think everyone should try it. With a head full of Harmine, preferably.
Mostly because I want to see America completely convinced that it fell through a fun house mirror.
Personally, I think research about how the brain constructs a sense of self is fascinating and completely worthwhile.
I am a bit confused about why this thread got shit on at the top. Is it the word astral in the subject? This article seems like the kind of thing PD is generally interested in.
Quote from: Cramulus on August 26, 2013, 07:48:36 PM
Personally, I think research about how the brain constructs a sense of self is fascinating and completely worthwhile.
Oh, I agree.
QuoteI am a bit confused about why this thread got shit on at the top. Is it the word astral in the subject? This article seems like the kind of thing PD is generally interested in.
Honestly? For three reasons:
1. It was a link with no commentary. No question, even, as implied by the title. It was the ancient example of a trolling thread. No input, loads of replies. I am just trying to help out.
2. Normally, this sort of thing goes over well in Techmology and Scientism. There's actually a pretty good thread there right now about alpha waves that I've been following.
3. :apple:
SPECIAL BONUS REASON #4: Because Ixxie does nothing BUT dribble hippie sauce. That's HIS Discordia. MY Discordia is to barf all over his Discordia. Sorry if that offends the Discordia Police. Bad Roger, no cactus.
I found this how to book on astral projection from the 60's once,
Basically the instructions were as follows:
1. Place markers (scent, symbol, whatever) along your home at close interval. Bedroom door, hallway wall, staircase, kitchen, front door.
2. Spend every night before sleeping NOT fucking a sock, but instead trying to picture yourself rising from your body and hovering from marker to marker. The more you do it, the easier it becomes and then you don't need the marker.
Which is to say it seemed like a way to create a mental experience like unto lucid dreaming.
The more interesting part of the book was that it indicated these things were products of countless years of Holy Work by occultists who kept the details secret, and thus shrouded in mystery, she in fact it's not all that ,mystical, once the secrecy is removed,
This article is, regardless of what the Unwelcome Wagon™ has to say about it, really interesting. Especially the possibilities of associating consciousness with an external body. I can imagine that this has all kinds of important implications for brain and consciousness sciences. Think of everything this could lead into -- not just self-image or other perceptual disorders. We could eventually solve all kinds of problems like people feeling useless or substandard just because parts of their bodies don't work, or projecting consciousness into environments that are too inhospitable for human bodies. Far from belonging in the "pool on the roof" this probably deserves its own thread in Techmology & Scientism.
Quote from: Alty on August 26, 2013, 07:54:17 PM
I found this how to book on astral projection from the 60's once,
Basically the instructions were as follows:
1. Place markers (scent, symbol, whatever) along your home at close interval. Bedroom door, hallway wall, staircase, kitchen, front door.
2. Spend every night before sleeping NOT fucking a sock, but instead trying to picture yourself rising from your body and hovering from marker to marker. The more you do it, the easier it becomes and then you don't need the marker.
Which is to say it seemed like a way to create a mental experience like unto lucid dreaming.
The more interesting part of the book was that it indicated these things were products of countless years of Holy Work by occultists who kept the details secret, and thus shrouded in mystery, she in fact it's not all that ,mystical, once the secrecy is removed,
Funnier thing is listening to tards going on about Tulpas. According to Buddhist monks, it takes a lifetime of training to generate a Tulpa. Or 30 minutes on a Pagan forum, whichever comes first.
You know, I'm just going to bugger off an be a Bad Person™ in another thread.
TGRR,
Has tragically, once again, failed to meet the expectations of others, and is really fucking broken up about it.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 08:01:33 PM
According to Buddhist monks, it takes a lifetime of training to generate a Tulpa. Or 30 minutes on a Pagan forum, whichever comes first.
:lulz: :lulz:
Well, pagan forumites tend to be
very efficient, you know. Really masters of their domain.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 08:02:41 PM
You know, I'm just going to bugger off an be a Bad Person™ in another thread.
TGRR,
Has tragically, once again, failed to meet the expectations of others, and is really fucking broken up about it.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1715856/badday.gif)
Quote from: V3X on August 26, 2013, 08:08:44 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 08:02:41 PM
You know, I'm just going to bugger off an be a Bad Person™ in another thread.
TGRR,
Has tragically, once again, failed to meet the expectations of others, and is really fucking broken up about it.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1715856/badday.gif)
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Well, you know. Clown comes along, dresses a perfectly good article up in ASSTRAL PROJECTIONZ, and I'm gonna do my thing, right? It's sort of like using one of those laser pointer things around a cat.
I knew I was gonna catch shit about it from the Hall Monitors™, but I did it anyway. I'm a criminal.
What I think is interesting, is the fact that OBE's can be triggered as easily as that. Which would go a long way in actually debunking the tripping hippies that try to argue that their consciousness actually WAS outside of their body (ok it would go a short way, because hippies. but still).
Another thing I think is interesting is because you can measure heart rate with mobile phone apps (something about the camera being able to pick up blood flow in certain circumstances--easiest way is bright LED+finger+camera, in that order behind eachother), so you could bring this to people.
Also helping people with anorexia or other types of body dysmorphia sounds like an AWESOME progression, I've known some peeps that used to suffer from anorexia (fortunately they are okay now), and it is terrible.
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FWIW, I can totally see how link + no commentary + "astral" in the title gets PDs neck hairs to rise. Hell, what Roger said, it *does* have all the qualities of a trolling thread. And we do actually get trolls here that would do that shit. In this case, however, I can tell you, Ixxie's no troll. A weirdo, sure. But a fucking cool weirdo, I met him IRL (as did Cram, Regret and El Sjaako). also he ate Regret's face, what is not to like? He might require a dose of the PD-style Discordia, but he's good people so please give it to him slowly ;-)
I'm sure he's a nice guy. Never doubted it for a moment.
Quote from: Triple Zero on August 26, 2013, 08:29:40 PM
also he ate Regret's face, what is not to like?
I approve.
QuoteHe might require a dose of the PD-style Discordia, but he's good people so please give it to him slowly ;-)
Ruins the effect. It's like being run over by a steamroller. Slowly is WORSE.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 08:53:46 PM
QuoteHe might require a dose of the PD-style Discordia, but he's good people so please give it to him slowly ;-)
Ruins the effect. It's like being run over by a steamroller. Slowly is WORSE.
:mittens:
Indeed - the applications are curious, and I do think I recall some paper about using such techniques to help treat some mental disorders. Further more - there seems to be a whole interdisciplinary research program of exploring a variety of adaptive explanations to mystical techniques. Like evidence of the potency of Mindfulness, Meditation and certain Drugs in integrating cognitive systems I and II for example. This is a potential gold mine - thousands of generations of sociocultural evolution converges with the amalgamations of Scientific and Mystical traditions interacting. As a scientist I feel both can benefit each other, and have many colleagues who share the sentiment.
As for TGRR - he seems to suffer from post trollmatic stress disorder and cockholm syndrome...... I am always grateful for more data on the rueful state of human culture and intelligence. Luckily I am wearing my Anti-Troll Spray™ today! :fap:
I figure the put on the Apple board because while this cites a scientific paper, its discusses an innovation in a technique that was traditionally used in mystical traditions and is thousands of years old. Admittedly I could have been more elaborate in explaining my position, but really I cannot understand how Discordians could be so seemingly afraid of a word - which might have been abused by a number of idiots - but still has such wonderful poetic and historical meaning that its a shame to drop it from our vocabulary just because 'its unscientific'. If we let stupidity on the part of others restrict on semantics we might as well opt to switching to klingon (although even this choice is questionable). I don't have to urge to create a strict conceptual separation between the rigor of science and the elegance of mystical metaphor - I can bridge both with out a problem (cf. the Non-Dualism of Disciplinary Distinction).
Yeah - I have a little hippie blood in me - and I am proud of it. The movement has its nativity - but has done much more for society than you seem to give credit, and certainly shares a phylogeny with PD. The benefit of time and the freedom sociocultural recombination would permit the open minded skeptic to reap all the benefits of the good traits while suspending judgement on other concepts and methods that don't seem useful. I am not naive about such concepts but experience has thought me never to just the conceptual book by its cover. Sure - many ideas in this realm are naive and stupid. Others are ancient sociocultural adaptations in the form of heuristics and methods which have great value. Yeah Intelligence is multi-dimensional and hard to measure or compare - but in my experience the integration of mystical and scientific methodology has been incredibly powerful when done with care and not taken too seriously (i.e. with the pragmatic spirit of Techne and not the more Platonic Episteme).
In the spirit of Hagbard's heuristic of 'True communication is only possible between Equals', would it not be nice to have the null-hypothesis in the average social encounter be intelligence? Could we not be Competent until proven Idiotic? Could we not rule out differing semantics and syntax as a cause for disagreement before assuming a conceptual conflict? Probably not, on the internet. I have my ideas about why (what an ironic paradox that what should have been our most powerful tool became our greatest weakness....)
:horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth: :horrormirth:
:sotw:
Point taken about putting the right post on the right board. I will keep an eye out for that in the future. :horrormirth:
:enough:
Ixxie, just don't say I didn't warn you :p
Quote from: Ixxie on August 26, 2013, 09:26:07 PM
As for TGRR - he seems to suffer from post trollmatic stress disorder and cockholm syndrome...... I am always grateful for more data on the rueful state of human culture and intelligence. Luckily I am wearing my Anti-Troll Spray™ today! :fap:
Well, I could dress it up in fancy terms, but the actual diagnosis is "obnoxious dick". And I wish you'd stop being so insensitive about my insensitivity. I mean, is it MY fault that I wasn't born with Gandhi jammed up every orifice? No. It is not.
QuoteI figure the put on the Apple board because while this cites a scientific paper, its discusses an innovation in a technique that was traditionally used in mystical traditions and is thousands of years old.
Tens of thousands, I'd argue. Human wiring has
never quite been up to code.
QuoteAdmittedly I could have been more elaborate in explaining my position, but really I cannot understand how Discordians could be so seemingly afraid of a word - which might have been abused by a number of idiots - but still has such wonderful poetic and historical meaning that its a shame to drop it from our vocabulary just because 'its unscientific'.
I know some guys at the institute for intelligent design that would agree with that line of thinking.
QuoteIf we let stupidity on the part of others restrict on semantics we might as well opt to switching to klingon (although even this choice is questionable). I don't have to urge to create a strict conceptual separation between the rigor of science and the elegance of mystical metaphor - I can bridge both with out a problem (cf. the Non-Dualism of Disciplinary Distinction).
And there's the problem. I am hopelessly mired in Cartesian Duality.
QuoteYeah - I have a little hippie blood in me - and I am proud of it. The movement has its nativity - but has done much more for society than you seem to give credit, and certainly shares a phylogeny with PD.
Um, yeah. Ask ECH (Currently under the moniker of Balls Wellington). He's a patchouli-stinking, granola-crunching hippie, and he owns the fucking joint. I have tried for YEARS to get him off the bus, but he has never listened. It's always "peace pot and microdot" with that assmonkey.
QuoteIn the spirit of Hagbard's heuristic of 'True communication is only possible between Equals', would it not be nice to have the null-hypothesis in the average social encounter be intelligence? Could we not be Competent until proven Idiotic? Could we not rule out differing semantics and syntax as a cause for disagreement before assuming a conceptual conflict? Probably not, on the internet. I have my ideas about why (what an ironic paradox that what should have been our most powerful tool became our greatest weakness....)
Thing is, we're all equals here. Everyone is (Except Delcon, but that's a whole different kettle of fish). We even let GERMANS post here, for Chrissakes. From a "what you are allowed to post" point of view, there is no difference between an admin and the newest user we have.
But that is not meant to say that everyone is going to AGREE with you or BE NICE about things, because the right to be a complete jackass about things is ALSO part of being equal.
And I assume that ALL humans, myself included, are COMPLETE DUMBASSES.
Quote from: Cramulus on August 26, 2013, 09:51:38 PM
:enough:
Ixxie, just don't say I didn't warn you :p
Are you trying to say something, Professor? That I am perhaps not the most accepting person in the whole world?
I am shocked and offended.
I think my biggest problem with MYSTICAL stuff is that it is the epitome of looking at the world the way you WANT it to be, not the way it actually IS.
TGRR,
Ripping back the vinyl is MY Discordia.
Quote from: Ixxie on August 26, 2013, 06:57:02 PM
http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/08/26/1513215/synchronized-virtual-reality-heartbeat-triggers-out-of-body-experiences
I bet this would be great with a little Transcranial Direct Current Stimulation, and maybe some shamboiling and/or jenkem.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 08:53:46 PMQuoteHe might require a dose of the PD-style Discordia, but he's good people so please give it to him slowly ;-)
Ruins the effect. It's like being run over by a steamroller. Slowly is WORSE.
:potd: :lulz:
Ixxie does seem like a pretty weird guy but if you, Cram and regret think he's an alright dude, I'll adjust to his oddness, and try to figure out where he's coming from.
ETA: I've had no reason to dislike him so far.
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:50:24 AM
Ixxie does seem like a pretty weird guy but if you, Cram and regret think he's an alright dude, I'll adjust to his oddness, and try to figure out where he's coming from.
ETA: I've had no reason to dislike him so far.
Well, he IS Belgian...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 01:53:07 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:50:24 AM
Ixxie does seem like a pretty weird guy but if you, Cram and regret think he's an alright dude, I'll adjust to his oddness, and try to figure out where he's coming from.
ETA: I've had no reason to dislike him so far.
Well, he IS Belgian...
Yeah but so is Waffles. But he is Northest Belgianese...
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:59:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 01:53:07 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:50:24 AM
Ixxie does seem like a pretty weird guy but if you, Cram and regret think he's an alright dude, I'll adjust to his oddness, and try to figure out where he's coming from.
ETA: I've had no reason to dislike him so far.
Well, he IS Belgian...
Yeah but so is Waffles. But he is Northest Belgianese...
Waffles is a special case. He's like one of those Rottweilers that eat babies.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 02:00:18 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:59:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 01:53:07 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:50:24 AM
Ixxie does seem like a pretty weird guy but if you, Cram and regret think he's an alright dude, I'll adjust to his oddness, and try to figure out where he's coming from.
ETA: I've had no reason to dislike him so far.
Well, he IS Belgian...
Yeah but so is Waffles. But he is Northest Belgianese...
Waffles is a special case. He's like one of those Rottweilers that eat babies.
:lol:
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:50:24 AM
Ixxie does seem like a pretty weird guy but if you, Cram and regret think he's an alright dude, I'll adjust to his oddness, and try to figure out where he's coming from.
ETA: I've had no reason to dislike him so far.
He seems fine
mostly so far I just ignore him because all he's posted has been drugs and woo. I wasn't even going to look at this thread for that reason.
As long as he keeps his woo out of my threads and doesn't post anything flashy I probably won't Be a Bad Person at him.
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 27, 2013, 02:39:21 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:50:24 AM
Ixxie does seem like a pretty weird guy but if you, Cram and regret think he's an alright dude, I'll adjust to his oddness, and try to figure out where he's coming from.
ETA: I've had no reason to dislike him so far.
He seems fine
mostly so far I just ignore him because all he's posted has been drugs and woo. I wasn't even going to look at this thread for that reason.
As long as he keeps his woo out of my threads and doesn't post anything flashy I probably won't Be a Bad Person at him.
The one thing I have is that he seems to be missing my points here and there, for example, my confusion with him trying to fit Zoroastrian duality in with Discordian duality, and that I don't necessarily approve of patchwork spirituality if the pieces don't fit.
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 02:51:47 AM
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 27, 2013, 02:39:21 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:50:24 AM
Ixxie does seem like a pretty weird guy but if you, Cram and regret think he's an alright dude, I'll adjust to his oddness, and try to figure out where he's coming from.
ETA: I've had no reason to dislike him so far.
He seems fine
mostly so far I just ignore him because all he's posted has been drugs and woo. I wasn't even going to look at this thread for that reason.
As long as he keeps his woo out of my threads and doesn't post anything flashy I probably won't Be a Bad Person at him.
The one thing I have is that he seems to be missing my points here and there, for example, my confusion with him trying to fit Zoroastrian duality in with Discordian duality, and that I don't necessarily approve of patchwork spirituality if the pieces don't fit.
He's European. Their entire culture is patchwork. You have to make allowances.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 02:52:51 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 02:51:47 AM
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 27, 2013, 02:39:21 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:50:24 AM
Ixxie does seem like a pretty weird guy but if you, Cram and regret think he's an alright dude, I'll adjust to his oddness, and try to figure out where he's coming from.
ETA: I've had no reason to dislike him so far.
He seems fine
mostly so far I just ignore him because all he's posted has been drugs and woo. I wasn't even going to look at this thread for that reason.
As long as he keeps his woo out of my threads and doesn't post anything flashy I probably won't Be a Bad Person at him.
The one thing I have is that he seems to be missing my points here and there, for example, my confusion with him trying to fit Zoroastrian duality in with Discordian duality, and that I don't necessarily approve of patchwork spirituality if the pieces don't fit.
He's European. Their entire culture is patchwork. You have to make allowances.
Fair point.
I think I will like it here.
I will concede on TGRR's points, but they don't have much baring as far as I am concerned. Sure I will grant everybody has the right to behave in any way they want, but not everybody chooses to stay in the lowest denominator (although that is a holy place to be of course).
Aloha - I was not trying to fit Zoroasterism in with Discordianism - I wrote explicitly I know almost nothing about it and what I did hear of it made me think it was Dualistic. I believe I was corrected on that point.
I will park my sailing boat on the roof.
Quote from: Ixxie on August 27, 2013, 06:05:39 AM
I think I will like it here.
I will concede on TGRR's points, but they don't have much baring as far as I am concerned. Sure I will grant everybody has the right to behave in any way they want, but not everybody chooses to stay in the lowest denominator (although that is a holy place to be of course).
Aloha - I was not trying to fit Zoroasterism in with Discordianism - I wrote explicitly I know almost nothing about it and what I did hear of it made me think it was Dualistic. I believe I was corrected on that point.
I will park my sailing boat on the roof.
Then, I misunderstood your response.
Apologies.
Also, I am appropriately called Twid (Nephew Twiddleton) here. This is a joke screen name.
Quote from: Ixxie on August 27, 2013, 06:05:39 AM
I think I will like it here.
I will concede on TGRR's points, but they don't have much baring as far as I am concerned. Sure I will grant everybody has the right to behave in any way they want, but not everybody chooses to stay in the lowest denominator (although that is a holy place to be of course).
Aloha - I was not trying to fit Zoroasterism in with Discordianism - I wrote explicitly I know almost nothing about it and what I did hear of it made me think it was Dualistic. I believe I was corrected on that point.
I will park my sailing boat on the roof.
A sense of subtle tongue-in-cheek humor would serve you well here.
Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 27, 2013, 08:09:28 AM
Quote from: Ixxie on August 27, 2013, 06:05:39 AM
I think I will like it here.
I will concede on TGRR's points, but they don't have much baring as far as I am concerned. Sure I will grant everybody has the right to behave in any way they want, but not everybody chooses to stay in the lowest denominator (although that is a holy place to be of course).
Aloha - I was not trying to fit Zoroasterism in with Discordianism - I wrote explicitly I know almost nothing about it and what I did hear of it made me think it was Dualistic. I believe I was corrected on that point.
I will park my sailing boat on the roof.
A sense of subtle tongue-in-cheek humor would serve you well here.
Touché - you drive the tip in like you have a bone to poke. This is becoming somewhat pugnacious brown nosing though, so I will refrain from digging deeper.
Quote from: Ixxie on August 26, 2013, 09:26:07 PM
In the spirit of Hagbard's heuristic of 'True communication is only possible between Equals', would it not be nice to have the null-hypothesis in the average social encounter be intelligence? Could we not be Competent until proven Idiotic? Could we not rule out differing semantics and syntax as a cause for disagreement before assuming a conceptual conflict? Probably not, on the internet. I have my ideas about why (what an ironic paradox that what should have been our most powerful tool became our greatest weakness....)
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A lot of people start out all nice and with good opinions of people in general.
After they meet a few thousand they lower their expectations.
Quote from: Ixxie on August 27, 2013, 06:05:39 AM
I think I will like it here.
I will concede on TGRR's points, but they don't have much baring as far as I am concerned. Sure I will grant everybody has the right to behave in any way they want, but not everybody chooses to stay in the lowest denominator (although that is a holy place to be of course).
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 10:00:29 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 26, 2013, 09:51:38 PM
:enough:
Ixxie, just don't say I didn't warn you :p
Are you trying to say something, Professor? That I am perhaps not the most accepting person in the whole world?
I am shocked and offended.
No no, you got me wrong -- Roger, you're anti-guru, anti-mystic, and all mystics need a good dose of that.
I warned Ixxie that trying to start a conversation about astral yadda yadda is kind of like starting a 50-Shades of Gray thread at a classic literature forum, and that apple talk has a FUCK YOU THIS IS APPLE TALK style.
For posterity -- I met Ixxie in #discord, then in the flesh at the July 2013 Discordian meetup in Amsterdam, and I think he's definitely a cool guy. But he's a big boy and can defend himself, so if you're worried about getting his blood on the wall, don't hold back on MY account.
man, so many good possible emotes to wrap up this post.
let's go with the underused
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Quote from: Cramulus on August 27, 2013, 02:58:24 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 26, 2013, 10:00:29 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on August 26, 2013, 09:51:38 PM
:enough:
Ixxie, just don't say I didn't warn you :p
Are you trying to say something, Professor? That I am perhaps not the most accepting person in the whole world?
I am shocked and offended.
No no, you got me wrong -- Roger, you're anti-guru, anti-mystic, and all mystics need a good dose of that.
Good. Because I'll have you worthless bastards know that I am the most caring and fucking COMPASSIONATE motherfucker you will ever meet.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 02:00:18 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:59:32 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 01:53:07 AM
Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 27, 2013, 01:50:24 AM
Ixxie does seem like a pretty weird guy but if you, Cram and regret think he's an alright dude, I'll adjust to his oddness, and try to figure out where he's coming from.
ETA: I've had no reason to dislike him so far.
Well, he IS Belgian...
Yeah but so is Waffles. But he is Northest Belgianese...
Waffles is a special case. He's like one of those Rottweilers that eat babies.
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True story!