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Stone and a human is at least as conscious as the human if not more. S

Whatever, dude.

It also works other way around. Pants have negative effect on consciousness.

The way I see it the mind can reach way out of the body. This text is outside my mind, mere pixels on a screen but still carry consciousness within. Just like a rock.

Information is not consciousness.

I was saying that you would have no way of telling that a thing was conscious if the consciousness wasn't leaking to it's enviroment.Of course you could say that the stuff you smell in the air around people was some kind consciousness residue, but that doesn't explain emergence.

This is kind of wrapped like a cigar and then shoved up it's own ass.

Consciousness doesn't leak.  It stays in your head.  Communicate all day long, you aren't imparting consciousness, you are conveying information (of whatever value).

This is a combination of a category error and a fixed gear bike.

Okay wait yea that was stupid. Let me backtrack a bit. Stone and a human is at least as conscious as the human if not more. Stone in flight is not anywhere close to being conscious in a way you are, but it's more conscious than stone in rest. It might have a goal in mind.

The way I see it the mind can reach way out of the body. This text is outside my mind, mere pixels on a screen but still carry consciousness within. Just like a rock.

Information is not consciousness.

I was saying that you would have no way of telling that a thing was conscious if the consciousness wasn't leaking to it's enviroment.Of course you could say that the stuff you smell in the air around people was some kind consciousness residue, but that doesn't explain emergence.

Let us then consider a combined system of a human and a stone. Stone has now become a part of an conscious system.  Even if by itself largely unconscious, a person-stone system can extend its reach through a nearby window.

Likewise I'd argue that this planet as a whole is largely conscious.

Hold up.


In the first part, you're saying the use of an unconscious object by a conscious actor is now a "conscious system".  You have now imparted consciousness to a serious of actions, rather than the creator of the actions.

In the second part, you springboard from this to claiming that unconscious things are now conscious when they are used by consciousness.

I'm gonna need you to break these parts down for me a little more.

Is your hand conscious after you cut it off? The way I see it the mind can reach way out of the body. This text is outside my mind, mere pixels on a screen but still carry consciousness within. Just like a rock.

I had a thought about the subject.

First I'll try to define consciousness by its negation. As most of us can agree, there's both conscious and unconscious processes in a human being. Processes which are said to be unconcious are characterised by either repetition, like in breathing, hearbeats, falling asleep etc. or causality like when you get hit by a hammer and flinch. Unconscious processes can be thought of as the ones ran by known rules. You/the universe knows what happens next, it's boring, there's nothing to observe. Conscious in the other hand is characterized by being playful, undeterministic and weird (i might be biased here). To stray from the known path you have to be conscious, same for the universe.

This sadly means that life is way less conscious if this isn't the first time around.

Most can also agree that even the most dull minded human is more conscious than a rock  an amobea or even a chicken. Let us then consider a combined system of a human and a stone. Stone has now become a part of an conscious system. Even if by itself largely unconscious, a person-stone system can extend its reach through a nearby window. Likewise I'd argue that this planet as a whole is largely conscious. There's just so much happening. New patterns arise constantly with no end in sight.

Another question is if solar system as a whole is conscious. There is communication between planets. Couple neurons are firing but I'm unsure if that qualifies consciousness yet. You could say that solar system is waking up. What's interesting to me is when the solar system finally reaches the state where it becomes conscious, will there be any left on earth, or has the planet succumbed to unconscious routine.

Now to tackle the whole universe. Largely universe seems to consist of routine. Orbital mechanics, formation of stars and other stuff seems to run on same rules it has for a long while. There is points where universe seems to improvise, neutron stars, black holes, weird dark matter interactions, life. Boundary regions seem to be a place where universe goes nuts and actually does something new and interesting. They are just way too tiny part of it. Saying that universe is conscious would be like pouring a shot of vodka to a barrel of water and claiming it to be an alcoholic beverage. 

How can I opt out from being sockpuppeted for insidious means after my demise?

Note taken, it was a mistake. I apologize and hope the damage caused stays minimal.

no no no, that's how you get the space baby from 2001

Not necessarily. To my knowledge you need also someone letting their period bubble out of airlock and an Infinite Improbability Drive.

I nominated it for everything. Sorry. My finger slipped.

Way to break it, hero.

Democracy doesn't work if you don't use your votes.

I nominated it for everything. Sorry. My finger slipped.

I'm much more intrigued by the possibility of masturbating in space and floating the sperm bubble out of the airlock. That gotta be a form of immortality.

Terrible news.

I found the butterfly dead on the floor, and now I feel like shit because I could've maybe prevented this by being more decisive.  I miss it, flying around room, panicking, making the annoying tapping noise when its wings flapped against the glass, refusing to eat. Wonderful stupid thing.

It must have had horrifying last days. Being woken from it's winter sleep feeling what it presumed to be the warmth of spring, only to realize that some idiot had moved the piece of furniture it was sleeping on inside while cleaning his balcony from years of cigarette ash. Seeing the shining sunlight so close, but beyond a massive forcefield without tiniest hole or weakness. A giant stinking ugly monster trying to tell it that it's cold outside.

I really loved it. It brought up a whole new kind of smile up on my face, a childish joy of having something so beautiful in my life. I wanted everything good to come to it, but all I brought was pain and death. My ignorance and apathy prevented me from doing what was good. I didn't find out soon enough.

I don't know what butterflies reincarnate to, but if you ever take a form of a being capable of reading this text I want to say that I'm sorry my actions didn't lead to better outcomes for you. I'll work on myself to prevent such occurrences happening in the future. I will bury you when the ground thaws, among the nettles. I shall kidnap bunch of butterfly babies to raise the most abysmal butterfly army the world has ever seen and with it spread destruction and carnage in your name.

Rest in peace, nameless butterfly.
I will not forget you for a while.

Update:

Haven't seen the butterfly today, which means it has learned something about windows, or it managed to die.

was going to try to trap it in somewhere to try to get it to eat some piece of fruit or sugarwater.

It's hiding really good and I'm getting a bit worried. It amazes me how strong of an emotional connection I have developed with a bug in just a day.

I'm not looking for the explanation, that would ruin a perfectly good mystery. I don't need a it less magical world right now. Maybe tomorrow.

Wait, is there technology to hijack a butterfly and make it poop microchips in my nostrils while I sleep.

e: I'm sure I'm not paranoid or hallucinating at the moment (dangerous), but I find it weird that  a bug would break into my house this time of a year-