Hello there,
I am new to Discordianism, I read the Principia and I also know the Book of the Subgenius.
Therefore I have a few questions:
Is a Discordian at the same time also a Subgenius?
Or are there Discordians who dont accept the Subgenius philosophy at all?
What are the similarities and differences?
I feel attracted to Eris.
Quote from: ZeroZeroSix on December 15, 2011, 05:57:42 PM
Is a Discordian at the same time also a Subgenius?
Or are there Discordians who dont accept the Subgenius philosophy at all?
What are the similarities and differences?
I feel attracted to Eris.
1. I am.
2. Yes.
3. Laughing til your guts bleed.
4. You're fucked. She's a tease. She'll steal all your CDs and give you the clap.
I am a Discordian and not a Subgenius. I have the book, I've just never read it.
Quote from: Nigel on December 15, 2011, 06:05:29 PM
I am a Discordian and not a Subgenius. I have the book, I've just never read it.
That's a relief. It causes swelling of the hate gland, and you're already at critical mass.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 06:08:32 PM
Quote from: Nigel on December 15, 2011, 06:05:29 PM
I am a Discordian and not a Subgenius. I have the book, I've just never read it.
That's a relief. It causes swelling of the hate gland, and you're already at critical mass.
Yeah, I got yelled at for being mean to my ex-husband this morning and I am about to rupture. :lulz:
Quote from: ZeroZeroSix on December 15, 2011, 05:57:42 PM
Is a Discordian at the same time also a Subgenius?
Nope, they're both "opt in" tribes. Being in one doesn't mean you're in the other.
QuoteOr are there Discordians who dont accept the Subgenius philosophy at all?
speaking as a mother,
I borrow a bit from the subgenius philosophy (I find the SLACK concept to be really useful), but I find most of it to be self-important crap designed to puff up your ego and make you feel like you're in the "higher" tribe.
QuoteWhat are the similarities and differences?
that's a pretty involved question I'm not qualified to answer!
A good place to start would be to look at the differences between Kerry Thornley / Greg Hill and Ivan Stang.
Kerry and Greg were zen students, and dress their ideas in eastern clothes (like the sacred chao)
Stang wears a mad scientist costume, and a lot of his ideas wear the capitalist-cult costume (like having to buy membership into the CotSG)
QuoteI feel attracted to Eris.
Careful -- that bitch is on a TEAR this year.
Both groups are a fistful of assholes; but only one group asks for $30 first.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 06:40:05 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 15, 2011, 06:34:44 PM
I borrow a bit from the subgenius philosophy (I find the SLACK concept to be really useful), but I find most of it to be self-important crap designed to puff up your ego and make you feel like you're in the "higher" tribe.
Note to self: Do not use satire around people from New York.
Note to Cram: The whole thing is a take off on Scientology, which actually means that shit when they say it.
I get the satire, it's still a ego wank.
By the way: Is the Jehovah-1 in the book of the Subgenius considered the same Jehovah of the bible?
It's my last question about Subgenius :wink:
Quote from: ZeroZeroSix on December 15, 2011, 08:00:04 PM
By the way: Is the Jehovah-1 in the book of the Subgenius considered the same Jehovah of the bible?
It's my last question about Subgenius :wink:
Sometimes.
JHVH is the God recognized by the Christians. At least, they think it is.
Jehovah-1 is a space demon that masquerades as JHVH, and spends all day convincing people to be Calvinists.
Quote from: Cramulus on December 15, 2011, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 06:40:05 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 15, 2011, 06:34:44 PM
I borrow a bit from the subgenius philosophy (I find the SLACK concept to be really useful), but I find most of it to be self-important crap designed to puff up your ego and make you feel like you're in the "higher" tribe.
Note to self: Do not use satire around people from New York.
Note to Cram: The whole thing is a take off on Scientology, which actually means that shit when they say it.
I get the satire, it's still a ego wank.
We should put up a list of acceptable jokes.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 15, 2011, 07:26:01 PM
Both groups are a fistful of assholes; but only one group asks for $30 first.
Yeah, but that group also gives you TRIPLE YOUR MONEY BACK if you fail to attain salvation.
Quote from: Cramulus on December 15, 2011, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 06:40:05 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 15, 2011, 06:34:44 PM
I borrow a bit from the subgenius philosophy (I find the SLACK concept to be really useful), but I find most of it to be self-important crap designed to puff up your ego and make you feel like you're in the "higher" tribe.
Note to self: Do not use satire around people from New York.
Note to Cram: The whole thing is a take off on Scientology, which actually means that shit when they say it.
I get the satire, it's still a ego wank.
Joke you don't enjoy, but is enjoyed by other people here, = ego wank?
Interesting angle...
TGRR, quick question: do Subgenius' squabble amongst themselves as much as Discordians?
Quote from: ZeroZeroSix on December 15, 2011, 05:57:42 PM
Hello there,
I am new to Discordianism, I read the Principia and I also know the Book of the Subgenius.
Therefore I have a few questions:
Is a Discordian at the same time also a Subgenius?
Or are there Discordians who dont accept the Subgenius philosophy at all?
What are the similarities and differences?
I feel attracted to Eris.
Not precisely the same but there is overlap. The SG philosophy is a bit more assertive, type-A compared to Discordia, from my perspective. There are a lot of bits I like but alot that I don't really dig. Like Cram talked about, the bits on Slack are really good and resonate with me. And the commentaries on human society. It's when it gets into the sci-fi stuff that it loses me. I know it's satire, but I feel in some places it gets a little lost in the satire. But the powerful pieces are still just as powerful for my money.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 15, 2011, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 15, 2011, 11:00:16 PM
TGRR, quick question: do Subgenius' squabble amongst themselves as much as Discordians?
WAY more. Most Subgenii hate each others' guts. Seriously.
All the originals spend all their time nowdays talking about what utter dicks all the others were. Except Nenslo, who ALWAYS did that, and Onan Canonbite, who still wants the funny.
Yeah, Onan was the one who organized the PDX Cyclone of Slack (actually got to see Stang and a few other's schticks in person... it's very much 'tent-revivalism'/circus-headsman/salesman/mystic-hidden-order).
Seeing a room full of punks and Slackers suddenly sit down and listen to the Duke of Uke rock his Ukelele was worth the cover alone, the Slack and Salvation is totally worth the triple your money back guarantee.
Google Images "Cyclone of Slack" (https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1294&bih=835&q=%22cyclone+of+slack%22&gbv=2&oq=%22cyclone+of+slack%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=2365l5699l0l5867l18l9l0l1l0l0l187l818l4.4l8l0)
I think Subgenius addresses slack really well - but perhaps Discordianism has more slack.
Subgenius is for converting people.
Discordianism is the true teaching.
Quote from: Slurrealist on December 19, 2011, 11:45:24 PM
Subgenius is for converting people.
Discordianism is the true teaching.
That is a strangely concise angle I've never thought of before.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 15, 2011, 07:26:01 PM
Both groups are a fistful of assholes; but only one group asks for $30 first.
$35, now. The good news is, that means you get $10 more profit if you collect on the Guaranteed Salvation or Triple Your Money Back warranty.
SubGenii have an organization.
Discordians have a disorganization.
SubGenius is for people with IQs below 150.
Discordia is for people with IQs above 150.
Of course that last part is a SubGenius and Discordian joke, but it's in the books.
Quote from: Bardcel on October 06, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
QuoteDiscordia is for people with IQs above 150.
Yeaaa I just knew I was in the right place :lulz:
BTW New Facebook Group 'Discordian Society 2012' only a few months left till it is rendered invalid by the Gregorian Calendar, and self-destructs.
Free hotdogs to new members, once only offer. Don't forget our 'End of Times Party' on 21st of December 2012 (Mayan date 13.0.0.0.0,) on Limbo Peak with our very own special guest star 'Eris Discordia'. Come all dressed up as your favourite character or not, party till dawn, and listen out for when The World goes BOOOMMMMMMM!!!!!
What was wrong with Discordian Society 2011? :?
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on October 06, 2012, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: Bardcel on October 06, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
QuoteDiscordia is for people with IQs above 150.
Yeaaa I just knew I was in the right place :lulz:
BTW New Facebook Group 'Discordian Society 2012' only a few months left till it is rendered invalid by the Gregorian Calendar, and self-destructs.
Free hotdogs to new members, once only offer. Don't forget our 'End of Times Party' on 21st of December 2012 (Mayan date 13.0.0.0.0,) on Limbo Peak with our very own special guest star 'Eris Discordia'. Come all dressed up as your favourite character or not, party till dawn, and listen out for when The World goes BOOOMMMMMMM!!!!!
What was wrong with Discordian Society 2011? :?
It is so last year.
:pretentious douchebag:
Quote from: American Jackal on October 06, 2012, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on October 06, 2012, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: Bardcel on October 06, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
QuoteDiscordia is for people with IQs above 150.
Yeaaa I just knew I was in the right place :lulz:
BTW New Facebook Group 'Discordian Society 2012' only a few months left till it is rendered invalid by the Gregorian Calendar, and self-destructs.
Free hotdogs to new members, once only offer. Don't forget our 'End of Times Party' on 21st of December 2012 (Mayan date 13.0.0.0.0,) on Limbo Peak with our very own special guest star 'Eris Discordia'. Come all dressed up as your favourite character or not, party till dawn, and listen out for when The World goes BOOOMMMMMMM!!!!!
What was wrong with Discordian Society 2011? :?
It is so last year.
:pretentious douchebag:
:lulz:
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on October 06, 2012, 06:11:45 PM
Quote from: American Jackal on October 06, 2012, 04:59:25 PM
Quote from: A Very Hairy Monkey In An Ill-Fitting Tunic on October 06, 2012, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: Bardcel on October 06, 2012, 10:18:34 AM
QuoteDiscordia is for people with IQs above 150.
Yeaaa I just knew I was in the right place :lulz:
BTW New Facebook Group 'Discordian Society 2012' only a few months left till it is rendered invalid by the Gregorian Calendar, and self-destructs.
Free hotdogs to new members, once only offer. Don't forget our 'End of Times Party' on 21st of December 2012 (Mayan date 13.0.0.0.0,) on Limbo Peak with our very own special guest star 'Eris Discordia'. Come all dressed up as your favourite character or not, party till dawn, and listen out for when The World goes BOOOMMMMMMM!!!!!
What was wrong with Discordian Society 2011? :?
It is so last year.
:pretentious douchebag:
:lulz:
Sadly this spoils my plans of making a joke on this very subject on the Discordian 2011 group.
There's a 2011 and 2012. I think 11 is more active.
Supposedly, some Sub-geni will not fuck, but bomb you if you can't take a joke. Although, that is what Bob Black (author of the Abolition of Work essay) claims in his article "Bomb 'em if they can't take a joke":
QuoteON NOVEMBER 22, 1989, I received a bomb in the mail at my street address. Purportedly from "Luis Zapato" at a Tampa address later established to be imaginary, it had been mailed from Wausau, Wisconsin two days before. Packaged in a cassette, it was made of a contact switch, batteries, flashcubes and small firecrackers. It looked suspicious to me — paranoia has its upside — and on an impulse I threw the thing against a door before fully opening it. There was a sound and a puff of smoke. It turns out the flashcubes all went off without igniting the firecrackers. It was a tiny little bomb, unlikely to kill, but I might have lost some fingers or been blinded. Regardless, as a postal inspector told me, "We don't take these things lightly." I lack the expertise to disarm an unexploded bomb, so I had no choice but to involve the authorities.
WHODUNIT? It was difficult not to laugh when a detective asked me, "Do you have any enemies?" Try spending 90 minutes explaining to a postal inspector what a "SubGenius" is. There are many possibilities, but the probability is that a SubGenius zombie is to blame. Since gratuitously insulting me two years ago, "Ivan Stang" has gone all-out to make a commercial success out of the Church, and there have been adverse reactions from the marginals milieu, invariably attributed to my malign influence because Stang, like his precursors at Processed World, simply can't comprehend that the difference between my kind of people and his is precisely that my friends aren't followers. Tad Kepley bootlegged the SubGenius video on his own initiative, a punishment to fit the capitalist crime which would never have occurred to somebody who hasn't owned a TV set for 13 years. Pascal Uni never even told me that he'd handed Stang the anti-Sub Dadata poster at a Lousiana devival last summer, to Stang's visible consternations. Etc. Nobody needs me to point out how crass it is for SubGenius, a collage of plagiarisms, to threaten anybody with copyright laws. But I did point it out. Stang knows he's betrayed the fringe types he built his media career on, as I observed when I reviewed High Weirdness By Mail. Recall his overreaction, in Popular Reality, to some rather offhand complaints by John Zerzan — Stang so far succumbed to guilty anxiety that his letter wasn't funny. He knows he's a shit, and it hurts.
To read further:
http://www.inspiracy.com/black/bomb.html (http://www.inspiracy.com/black/bomb.html)
I'm gonna need more citations on that one. I don't trust the source material.
Another article by Bob Black about his supposed feud with Ivan Stang:
http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/black/sp001674.html (http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/black/sp001674.html)
Quote(I fell out with the Church of the SubGenius in 1987. A few years later, one of their bigshots, John Hagen-Brenner, mailed me a bomb and ended up copping a guilty plea in Federal court, and I spread the news far and wide. After a couple years in denial, H-B's high-school friend Doug Smith/"Ivan Stang" took to the Internet -- correctly assuming I wasn't there to respond -- to disparage the "Black Lies." But though I wasn't present, I had friends who were, through whose help I not only saw what Stang was saying but posted thefollowing response.)
THEY DON'T CALL IT SUBGENIUS FOR NOTHING
From Wiki:
QuoteChurch of the SubGenius controversy
According to two accounts by Black, he received a bomb in the mail at his street address on November 22, 1989.[3] Black claimed it was a member of the Church of the SubGenius, John Hagen-Brenner, who sent him an "improvised explosive device consisting of an audio cassette holder wired with four cadmium-type batteries, four flashbulbs, and five firecrackers",[4] as described in the charging document filed in Federal District Court. According to Black, he thought the package looked suspicious, then on impulse "threw it against the wall. There was a flash (the flashcubes) and a puff of smoke, but the firecrackers did not go off."[4] Black turned the device in to the police. Black believes that the device was sent to him because of criticism he had made of the Church, and he has repeatedly brought up the incident in his writings concerning the Church.[3] Ivan Stang and other members of the Church have denied any involvement in this incident, and no one else was charged. One of Black's texts was reposted and dismissed on the SubGenius mailing-list.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Black#Church_of_the_SubGenius_controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Black#Church_of_the_SubGenius_controversy)
Quote from: Black Pope on October 10, 2012, 02:22:41 PM
Supposedly, some Sub-geni will not fuck, but bomb you if you can't take a joke. Although, that is what Bob Black (author of the Abolition of Work essay) claims in his article "Bomb 'em if they can't take a joke":
QuoteON NOVEMBER 22, 1989, I received a bomb in the mail at my street address. Purportedly from "Luis Zapato" at a Tampa address later established to be imaginary, it had been mailed from Wausau, Wisconsin two days before. Packaged in a cassette, it was made of a contact switch, batteries, flashcubes and small firecrackers. It looked suspicious to me — paranoia has its upside — and on an impulse I threw the thing against a door before fully opening it. There was a sound and a puff of smoke. It turns out the flashcubes all went off without igniting the firecrackers. It was a tiny little bomb, unlikely to kill, but I might have lost some fingers or been blinded. Regardless, as a postal inspector told me, "We don't take these things lightly." I lack the expertise to disarm an unexploded bomb, so I had no choice but to involve the authorities.
WHODUNIT? It was difficult not to laugh when a detective asked me, "Do you have any enemies?" Try spending 90 minutes explaining to a postal inspector what a "SubGenius" is. There are many possibilities, but the probability is that a SubGenius zombie is to blame. Since gratuitously insulting me two years ago, "Ivan Stang" has gone all-out to make a commercial success out of the Church, and there have been adverse reactions from the marginals milieu, invariably attributed to my malign influence because Stang, like his precursors at Processed World, simply can't comprehend that the difference between my kind of people and his is precisely that my friends aren't followers. Tad Kepley bootlegged the SubGenius video on his own initiative, a punishment to fit the capitalist crime which would never have occurred to somebody who hasn't owned a TV set for 13 years. Pascal Uni never even told me that he'd handed Stang the anti-Sub Dadata poster at a Lousiana devival last summer, to Stang's visible consternations. Etc. Nobody needs me to point out how crass it is for SubGenius, a collage of plagiarisms, to threaten anybody with copyright laws. But I did point it out. Stang knows he's betrayed the fringe types he built his media career on, as I observed when I reviewed High Weirdness By Mail. Recall his overreaction, in Popular Reality, to some rather offhand complaints by John Zerzan — Stang so far succumbed to guilty anxiety that his letter wasn't funny. He knows he's a shit, and it hurts.
To read further:
http://www.inspiracy.com/black/bomb.html (http://www.inspiracy.com/black/bomb.html)
That's a bunch of shit. I know Stang, and he spends all his time dodging whackos. This seems to be one of them.
Incidentally, every single kook that goes after Stang claims "betrayal".
QuoteStang knows he's betrayed the fringe types he built his media career on,
And "Black Pope" ---> Bob Black?
Please take your crusade elsewhere.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 10, 2012, 02:32:55 PM
I'm gonna need more citations on that one. I don't trust the source material.
You will notice that his other two sources are sources to Black claiming this happened...But no evidence and certainly not anything like a postmaster's investigation or anything like that.
I couldn't find the federal case that the guy supposedly pleaded to, either... which should be in the public record.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 10, 2012, 04:56:22 PM
I couldn't find the federal case that the guy supposedly pleaded to, either... which should be in the public record.
I remember this being mentioned on alt.slack at one point or another. It was basically a very tired, aging Stang venting about yet another kook. The poor old bastard's wound up making friends with FBI agents, he had to keep meeting with over threats made to his person, etc.
Bob Dean was another one like Black. Dean decided he (Dean) WAS "Bob", and under 2-3 different monikers, etc, hounded Stang for a decade. Finally, one of the regulars founded a different internet group that you have to be a paid-up member of the church to join, just to give everyone a chance to talk and joke without Dean, Rev Meow, and all the other nutjobs being around to harrass Stang and some of the other Church founders. Shit, it got so bad that Nenslo stopped writing and has never restarted, and if anything in this is an actual crime, that's it.
Quote from: Man Yellow on October 10, 2012, 04:25:46 PM
Incidentally, every single kook that goes after Stang claims "betrayal".
QuoteStang knows he's betrayed the fringe types he built his media career on,
And "Black Pope" ---> Bob Black?
Please take your crusade elsewhere.
Damn it, they're on to me.
Why would they harrass Rev. Stang anyway? It's not like he's rich like Scientology or Pat Robertson.
Quote from: Miley Spears on October 12, 2012, 03:52:04 AM
Why would they harrass Rev. Stang anyway? It's not like he's rich like Scientology or Pat Robertson.
"Kooks", all of which feel "betrayed" by him, for events that existed solely in their heads, or because the Alien Love Gardeners told them to destroy him.
Subgenii are arrogant and confused, Discordians are confused and arrogant. Both are smelly and that's why I stay away from them.
Quote from: Mitt Romney's Favorite Wife on October 12, 2012, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: Miley Spears on October 12, 2012, 03:52:04 AM
Why would they harrass Rev. Stang anyway? It's not like he's rich like Scientology or Pat Robertson.
"Kooks", all of which feel "betrayed" by him, for events that existed solely in their heads, or because the Alien Love Gardeners told them to destroy him.
So, he's kind of like the you of Subgenius?
I've been reading over the texts of both systems recently (a.k.a. The Loose Canon) and here's what I've decided about things, not that you were asking me but I'm telling you anyway so there pbbbbbbblt. :fnord:
I consider SubGenius to be philosophy, and Discordianism to be religion, and both are pretty much two sides of the same flaxcoin: THIS SHIT IS ALL MADE UP.
Now, that not only means "Bob" and Eris, but EVERYTHING. EVERY goddamn thing in our civilization is the product of some human's brain processes, such as they are.
That flag you salute. Those marks on that map you fret over. That book you carry under your arm. The clothes you wear. The petty arguments that escalate into violence. The seafood you don't eat because people 2000 years ago said not to eat it. The direction you face when addressing Big Sky Buddy. The money you spend. The bright human ideals we hold dear. The very words we communicate with.
To one extent or another, IT'S ALL MADE UP. FUCKING ARTIFICIAL.
So why the hell not run with this idea? Make some MORE shit up. Be creative. Believe anything, or at least ACT like you do. Be the sand in the Conspiracy's gears, the sugar in Greyface's tank. Do What Keepeth The Cabbages Wilting Shall Be The Whole Of The Law. Stop stressing about how what you're doing, saying or thinking is fitting into the brainfarts of some other naked monkey and go with what your True Will tells you.
Quote from: Pere Ubu on October 07, 2013, 12:49:04 AM
I've been reading over the texts of both systems recently (a.k.a. The Loose Canon) and here's what I've decided about things, not that you were asking me but I'm telling you anyway so there pbbbbbbblt. :fnord:
I consider SubGenius to be philosophy, and Discordianism to be religion, and both are pretty much two sides of the same flaxcoin: THIS SHIT IS ALL MADE UP.
Now, that not only means "Bob" and Eris, but EVERYTHING. EVERY goddamn thing in our civilization is the product of some human's brain processes, such as they are.
That flag you salute. Those marks on that map you fret over. That book you carry under your arm. The clothes you wear. The petty arguments that escalate into violence. The seafood you don't eat because people 2000 years ago said not to eat it. The direction you face when addressing Big Sky Buddy. The money you spend. The bright human ideals we hold dear. The very words we communicate with.
To one extent or another, IT'S ALL MADE UP. FUCKING ARTIFICIAL.
So why the hell not run with this idea? Make some MORE shit up. Be creative. Believe anything, or at least ACT like you do. Be the sand in the Conspiracy's gears, the sugar in Greyface's tank. Do What Keepeth The Cabbages Wilting Shall Be The Whole Of The Law. Stop stressing about how what you're doing, saying or thinking is fitting into the brainfarts of some other naked monkey and go with what your True Will tells you.
Fuck yes! Preach it!
This about sums it up.
http://historiadiscordia.com/the-difference-between-the-church-of-the-subgenius-and-discordianism/
Quote from: Gorightly on March 02, 2014, 03:00:51 AM
This about sums it up.
http://historiadiscordia.com/the-difference-between-the-church-of-the-subgenius-and-discordianism/
That does seem to.
Personally, I've always thought of as Discordia as DaDa, and CotSG as Surrealism.
That might be because I just like DaDa better as an artistic movement, but I'd love to hear other peoples' take on this.
Please, argue with me.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 02, 2014, 09:04:18 AM
Personally, I've always thought of as Discordia as DaDa, and CotSG as Surrealism.
That might be because I just like DaDa better as an artistic movement, but I'd love to hear other peoples' take on this.
Please, argue with me.
Perhaps he meant it from a spiritual perspective as opposed to an artisitic one,
Or maybe he was making it up on the spot.
Probably bullshit either way.
I personally thought the difference was about 20 years.
LMNO likes the above post.
Quote from: Nigel on November 09, 2012, 11:20:34 PM
Quote from: Mitt Romney's Favorite Wife on October 12, 2012, 03:05:08 PM
Quote from: Miley Spears on October 12, 2012, 03:52:04 AM
Why would they harrass Rev. Stang anyway? It's not like he's rich like Scientology or Pat Robertson.
"Kooks", all of which feel "betrayed" by him, for events that existed solely in their heads, or because the Alien Love Gardeners told them to destroy him.
So, he's kind of like the you of Subgenius?
Except that he has it WAY worse than I've ever had it.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 02, 2014, 09:04:18 AM
Personally, I've always thought of as Discordia as DaDa, and CotSG as Surrealism.
That might be because I just like DaDa better as an artistic movement, but I'd love to hear other peoples' take on this.
Please, argue with me.
The Church of the Subgenius is based on RAGE and BAD MOVIES/ART.
There is nothing surreal about it, really. We fucking LOVE awful movies & crappy artwork, and we HATE everything else.
I've had the Bob Black thing confirmed from another source; he was an anarchist (still is) who was involved with COTSG and was sent a mailbomb from a member of the COTSG after that relationship soured.
But of course, as mentioned in thread Stang was in no way involved (other than I believe he knew of and had collaborated with Black).
And the poster above probably wasn't Black himself who doesn't really interact through the Internet, but anything's possible.
Quote from: Placid Dingo on March 23, 2014, 04:49:37 AM
I've had the Bob Black thing confirmed from another source; he was an anarchist (still is) who was involved with COTSG and was sent a mailbomb from a member of the COTSG after that relationship soured.
But of course, as mentioned in thread Stang was in no way involved (other than I believe he knew of and had collaborated with Black).
And the poster above probably wasn't Black himself who doesn't really interact through the Internet, but anything's possible.
Buncha shit. He fucking staged that shit. Fuck off.
A Discordian becomes a Subgenius when they start to wonder if they could make some money off all this shit.
Quote from: Frater BOZO on March 31, 2014, 09:27:15 PM
A Discordian becomes a Subgenius when they start to wonder if they could make some money off all this shit.
No, then you turn into Ben Mack or Gavriel. :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 31, 2014, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Frater BOZO on March 31, 2014, 09:27:15 PM
A Discordian becomes a Subgenius when they start to wonder if they could make some money off all this shit.
No, then you turn into Ben Mack or Gavriel. :lulz:
Don't know who that is, but I assume they're some goofballs? I've been away for a while.
Quote from: Frater BOZO on March 31, 2014, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 31, 2014, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: Frater BOZO on March 31, 2014, 09:27:15 PM
A Discordian becomes a Subgenius when they start to wonder if they could make some money off all this shit.
No, then you turn into Ben Mack or Gavriel. :lulz:
Don't know who that is, but I assume they're some goofballs? I've been away for a while.
They are hilarious. Ben Mack is a "marketer" who can't market, and will spend WEEKS "stewarding his reputation". He is also an incredibly bad author and a photobombing whore. The last bit is actually kinda funny.
Gavriel is an "entrepenuer" who basically demands that Discordians and the Subgenii give him art for free so that he can sell it and keep the cash.
Then, when you don't agree, he goes on a No True Scotsman tirade and denounces you as being the cancer that is killing <insert group>, spazzes out completely and flounces. Then lurks for 6 weeks, waiting for people to beg him to come back.
Quote from: LMNO on December 15, 2011, 11:00:16 PM
TGRR, quick question: do Subgenius' squabble amongst themselves as much as Discordians?
Ten times worse, really.
Dok,
Was gonna answer this years ago, but got distracted.
I don't see Subgenuis as anything other than a parody religion. Discordianism is a little satirical in areas (albeit in a fond manner) and humor is a vehicle for conveying important ideas, like in Zen. Discordianism knocks Occultism and Religion but always strives to push past that. The principle of Greyface is at the heart of Discordianism I believe, it poses that the overemphasis on seriousness, both in religion/occultism and in general life - is the thing that perpetuates delusion, cult-behavior (which happens in the secular world too) and is ultimately a distraction. Of course, life is about balance between seriousness and humor, too much of either is a bad thing.
Discordianism has many hilarious inside jokes and in it's nature, feeds of memes. It provides a framework for absurdist anarchy, it provides guidelines of how to approach your own spirituality, it has it's own magical rituals and Mindfuck Orders. Robert Anton Wilson certainly saw this in Discordianism too and it shows in his approach to his own syncronistic adventures.
Even though Bob Wilson was also entertained by the Subgenius, I don't find much value in it outside of it's basic parody-value.
You just go ahead and continue being distracted by the concept of greyfaces.
Quote from: THE PRIORITISER on July 10, 2018, 02:17:46 AM
I don't see Subgenuis as anything other than a parody religion.
Then you'll never get the punchline.
Quote from: Hoopla on July 11, 2018, 05:31:35 PM
You just go ahead and continue being distracted by the concept of greyfaces.
I feel bad for all the Greyfaces.
Dok,
Alone in a sea of unconscious people. I'M THE VICTIM, HERE!
It's kind of funny how some people will say they "get" the idea behind the Pope cards (and maybe even remember the twist in Illuminatus!) but still fall in line regarding Greyface.
Quote from: LMNO on July 12, 2018, 12:56:30 PM
It's kind of funny how some people will say they "get" the idea behind the Pope cards (and maybe even remember the twist in Illuminatus!) but still fall in line regarding Greyface.
You can bring a Pope to knowledge,
but you can't make 'em think.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on July 12, 2018, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: LMNO on July 12, 2018, 12:56:30 PM
It's kind of funny how some people will say they "get" the idea behind the Pope cards (and maybe even remember the twist in Illuminatus!) but still fall in line regarding Greyface.
You can bring a Pope to knowledge,
but you can't make 'em think.
Newsfeed.