http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-decisions_n_3453917.html
QuoteThe court also decided that a court can use silence against a defendant against him before Miranda rights are given.
Besides that sentence making no sense, it sounds like you're fucked if you speak and you're fucked if you don't.
1st Amendment, only in the pen
4th Amendment, gone
5th Amendment, gone
6th Amendment, gone
7th Amendment, severely compromised by plea bargain system
8th Amendment, gone (unless torture before being charged with anything doesn't count, somehow)
9th Amendment, long gone
10th Amendment, in the iron lung
So, you can keep your guns, and the army doesn't get your guest room.
...for now.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-silence_n_3453968.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/17/supreme-court-silence_n_3453968.html)
"It has long been settled that the privilege `generally is not self-executing' and that a witness who desires its protection `must claim it.'"
They don't advertise it but, yeah, saying a single word to filth until you've been "cautioned" as we call it over here is the way of the dumbass. Any time I've been lifted, ever, the only thing I've said in response to any question, other than "are you P3nT4gR4m?" (failure to respond to this question is obstruction) is in the form of a question - "Are you arresting me?" otherwise there's wiggle room where they can claim you waived your rights. If it's CID they'll try everything to avoid it. Including flat out denying that they're about to slap the cuffs on you, by way of getting unprotected answers from you.
Generally it's only the criminals who are taught this, tho. Law abiding punters get raped over it :lulz:
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 19, 2013, 08:22:00 PM
Generally it's only the criminals who are taught this, tho. Law abiding punters get raped over it :lulz:
Anyone who has seen the inside of a US felony courtroom knows that.
You get all the justice you can afford. Results
may will vary based on the color of your skin. And any cooperation at all is a spiked dildo up your ass.
What's CID?
Cunts in Disguise
or
Criminal Investigation Department
Depending on which side of the badge you're on
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 08:25:02 PM
What's CID?
Criminal Investigation Department. Police that can tell left from right without having to think too long.
Edit - Also, P3nt, Fucking truth.
I'm so glad to be getting the AmericaTM I asked for, nay, demanded.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
I'm so glad to be getting the AmericaTM I asked for, nay, demanded.
I'm
so glad to see this sentiment coming from a thinking individual. That means nothing will
EVER change!
Well, THAT was just fucking special.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
I'm so glad to be getting the AmericaTM I asked for, nay, demanded.
I'm so glad to see this sentiment coming from a thinking individual. That means nothing will EVER change!
Oh everything changes. It's just, the more it does, the more it stays the same.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
I'm so glad to be getting the AmericaTM I asked for, nay, demanded.
I'm so glad to see this sentiment coming from a thinking individual. That means nothing will EVER change!
Oh everything changes. It's just, the more it does, the more it stays the same.
Truth, I suppose. Blaming yourself for it is hardly good for anyone, though.
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 09:11:17 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
I'm so glad to be getting the AmericaTM I asked for, nay, demanded.
I'm so glad to see this sentiment coming from a thinking individual. That means nothing will EVER change!
Oh everything changes. It's just, the more it does, the more it stays the same.
Truth, I suppose. Blaming yourself for it is hardly good for anyone, though.
I don't really blame myself. I think there are millions of people who are doing what I'm doing - going to work or school, coming home and trying to stay ahead of the cleaning and repairs and shit like that, and then collapsing into sleep - without much left to spare for outside SERIOUS things.
I've had Martin Niemöller's famous quote tripping through my head for years now, every time I look at a TV or a newspaper.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 09:16:23 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 09:11:17 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
I'm so glad to be getting the AmericaTM I asked for, nay, demanded.
I'm so glad to see this sentiment coming from a thinking individual. That means nothing will EVER change!
Oh everything changes. It's just, the more it does, the more it stays the same.
Truth, I suppose. Blaming yourself for it is hardly good for anyone, though.
I don't really blame myself. I think there are millions of people who are doing what I'm doing - going to work or school, coming home and trying to stay ahead of the cleaning and repairs and shit like that, and then collapsing into sleep - without much left to spare for outside SERIOUS things.
I've had Martin Niemöller's famous quote tripping through my head for years now, every time I look at a TV or a newspaper.
I've never liked that phrase, America getting what it demanded. 'S what got my hackles up in the first place. Sorry for snapping at you. :(
I've never heard of him, what did he say?
It's all good. I meant it tongue-in-cheek but y'know how the internet sucks for conveying tone.
He said :
QuoteFirst they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
We're being broken down into groups and picked off. Only much more
nicely than the Nazis did it.
Oh THAT quote. Yeah, that's a really... apt one.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 09:27:13 PM
It's all good. I meant it tongue-in-cheek but y'know how the internet sucks for conveying tone.
He said :
QuoteFirst they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
We're being broken down into groups and picked off. Only much more nicely than the Nazis did it.
"divide and conquer" - Julius Caesar
Kinda distillation of the one above. It's one of my mantras in life and becomes particularly lulzy (and no less effective) when applied to a single opponent :evil:
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 09:20:03 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 09:16:23 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 09:11:17 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
I'm so glad to be getting the AmericaTM I asked for, nay, demanded.
I'm so glad to see this sentiment coming from a thinking individual. That means nothing will EVER change!
Oh everything changes. It's just, the more it does, the more it stays the same.
Truth, I suppose. Blaming yourself for it is hardly good for anyone, though.
I don't really blame myself. I think there are millions of people who are doing what I'm doing - going to work or school, coming home and trying to stay ahead of the cleaning and repairs and shit like that, and then collapsing into sleep - without much left to spare for outside SERIOUS things.
I've had Martin Niemöller's famous quote tripping through my head for years now, every time I look at a TV or a newspaper.
I've never liked that phrase, America getting what it demanded. 'S what got my hackles up in the first place. Sorry for snapping at you. :(
I've never heard of him, what did he say?
Like it or not, it's exactly how it is. Some demand it actively, others demand it by not opposing it actively, but the end result is the same.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
I'm so glad to be getting the AmericaTM I asked for, nay, demanded.
I'm so glad to see this sentiment coming from a thinking individual. That means nothing will EVER change!
Oh everything changes. It's just, the more it does, the more it stays the same.
We keep falling, but we never hit bottom. There's a reason for that.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 20, 2013, 10:38:49 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: Freeky Queen of DERP on June 19, 2013, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on June 19, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
I'm so glad to be getting the AmericaTM I asked for, nay, demanded.
I'm so glad to see this sentiment coming from a thinking individual. That means nothing will EVER change!
Oh everything changes. It's just, the more it does, the more it stays the same.
We keep falling, but we never hit bottom. There's a reason for that.
It's a game of limbo with no limits on how low we can go.
Link seems borked, doesn't have your quote.
Am I hearing that Miranda doesn't apply UNTIL the recitation has been uttered?
Because that's making shit LITURGICAL.
But hey, shutting up and asking for a lawyer is still the best bet.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on June 24, 2013, 07:19:04 AM
Link seems borked, doesn't have your quote.
Am I hearing that Miranda doesn't apply UNTIL the recitation has been uttered?
Because that's making shit LITURGICAL.
But hey, shutting up and asking for a lawyer is still the best bet.
Invoking the 5th, verbally or in writing, has the same effect as being Mirandized.