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Title: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on December 29, 2010, 07:19:06 am
Just a thought I came up with the other day-
A great place to put posters up for postergasm is where ever there is those really annoying and stupid and egotistical graffiti tags-
Think about it, you're both simultaneously doing the work as an agent of the goddess, AND you're "cleaning up" the community by covering up the stupid tags that egotistical dicks are compulsed to put up everywhere which are just an eyesore- don't get me wrong, I *like* *good* graffiti, but tagging is just stupid.

The bonus to this is, if any asshole tries to take our posters down, they'll be revealing the graffiti and will most likely be feeling guilty about what they have done since in their effort to "clean" up the place, they've just made the place worse  8) 
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Cramulus on December 29, 2010, 02:57:24 pm
good idea - I like how you've counterbalanced covering up graffiti with cleaning up posters


you should add this tip to the Tips for Distribution section on the wiki: http://www.blackironprison.com/index.php?title=POSTERGASM#Tips_For_Distriubtion
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on December 29, 2010, 03:25:28 pm
I would, but I seem to have forgotten my log in password and what email address my login is registered to since clikcing that send password thing seems to not go to any of my actively checked emails  :x
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Triple Zero on December 29, 2010, 04:06:17 pm
Seems somebody needs to be set them up the new account.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on December 30, 2010, 05:44:40 am
Never mind, searched my personal messages, found the original password cram sent me, realised I haven't changed it yet. All good.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Dalek on December 30, 2010, 04:40:47 pm
Just a thought I came up with the other day-
A great place to put posters up for postergasm is where ever there is those really annoying and stupid and egotistical graffiti tags-
Think about it, you're both simultaneously doing the work as an agent of the goddess, AND you're "cleaning up" the community by covering up the stupid tags that egotistical dicks are compulsed to put up everywhere which are just an eyesore- don't get me wrong, I *like* *good* graffiti, but tagging is just stupid.

The bonus to this is, if any asshole tries to take our posters down, they'll be revealing the graffiti and will most likely be feeling guilty about what they have done since in their effort to "clean" up the place, they've just made the place worse  8) 

But you'll get lots of hate from graffiti writers, which would result in all your posters being tagged over and taken down.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 30, 2010, 07:31:52 pm
Just a thought I came up with the other day-
A great place to put posters up for postergasm is where ever there is those really annoying and stupid and egotistical graffiti tags-
Think about it, you're both simultaneously doing the work as an agent of the goddess, AND you're "cleaning up" the community by covering up the stupid tags that egotistical dicks are compulsed to put up everywhere which are just an eyesore- don't get me wrong, I *like* *good* graffiti, but tagging is just stupid.

The bonus to this is, if any asshole tries to take our posters down, they'll be revealing the graffiti and will most likely be feeling guilty about what they have done since in their effort to "clean" up the place, they've just made the place worse  8) 

But you'll get lots of hate from graffiti writers, which would result in all your posters being tagged over and taken down.

Just put the poster back up then :)
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on December 31, 2010, 04:38:12 am
Just a thought I came up with the other day-
A great place to put posters up for postergasm is where ever there is those really annoying and stupid and egotistical graffiti tags-
Think about it, you're both simultaneously doing the work as an agent of the goddess, AND you're "cleaning up" the community by covering up the stupid tags that egotistical dicks are compulsed to put up everywhere which are just an eyesore- don't get me wrong, I *like* *good* graffiti, but tagging is just stupid.

The bonus to this is, if any asshole tries to take our posters down, they'll be revealing the graffiti and will most likely be feeling guilty about what they have done since in their effort to "clean" up the place, they've just made the place worse  8) 

But you'll get lots of hate from graffiti writers, which would result in all your posters being tagged over and taken down.

Just put the poster back up then :)

This.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Phox on December 31, 2010, 05:17:35 am
Find the taggers who did it and put posters over their tags wherever you find them.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on December 31, 2010, 07:25:15 am
Find the taggers who did it and put posters over their tags wherever you find them.

That too.
See, we got some real thinkers here. Don't give me problems, give me solutions!
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Dalek on December 31, 2010, 08:38:18 am
Sorry, but as an unreal thinker and a very real graffiti writer I think this GASM sucks.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Phox on December 31, 2010, 08:44:25 am
Sorry, but as an unreal thinker and a very real graffiti writer I think this GASM sucks.

So? Graffiti sucks. What's your point?
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on December 31, 2010, 08:54:27 am
Sorry, but as an unreal thinker and a very real graffiti writer I think this GASM sucks.
Tagger, or artist?
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Epimetheus on December 31, 2010, 10:14:14 am
Sorry, but as an unreal thinker and a very real graffiti writer I think this GASM sucks.
Tagger, or artist?

Where do you draw the line?

Actually, I don't want to have this discussion. Just sayin' it, though.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: ͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅ ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 31, 2010, 10:50:03 am
I fully support covering some ugly graffiti with posters, however, those residing in the Americas might consider watching "Sin Nombre" before you do something extremely stupid.

Sorry, but as an unreal thinker and a very real graffiti writer I think this GASM sucks.
Tagger, or artist?

Where do you draw the line?

Actually, I don't want to have this discussion. Just sayin' it, though.

Unintentional pun FTW.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Phox on December 31, 2010, 11:33:58 am
Sorry, but as an unreal thinker and a very real graffiti writer I think this GASM sucks.
Tagger, or artist?

It's irrelevant. But, like Epi said, it's not a good discussion to get into. I'll just stick by my statement that graffiti sucks.

I fully support covering some ugly graffiti with posters, however, those residing in the Americas might consider watching "Sin Nombre" before you do something extremely stupid.

This is a good point, if the movie is the one about Mexican gangs? I have not seen the film, so I am not sure what you are implying exactly, but I'm taking it to mean that messing with gang graffiti could be a bad move? For my part, I don't need to worry, since there is neither much graffiti nor much gang activity in my areas of operation. However, something to consider for others.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Triple Zero on December 31, 2010, 03:11:34 pm
Sorry, but as an unreal thinker and a very real graffiti writer I think this GASM sucks.

Uh, I think the OP was pretty clear in saying to put up posters over the butt-ugly scribbly tags, you know, the crap that's just a 5-10 second job with a marker or spray-can.

So, I don't see what your problem is? Do you seriously think that sort of trashy defacements--which BTW have a scientifically proven effect on criminality and even affect moral judgement of passers-by negatively--should somehow be protected over the Holy Discordian Sacrament of Postering Awesome Mindfuckery?

I think we all agree that pretty graffiti is pretty. And if it's a colourful piece that somebody obviously put a lot of work in--even if it's just a word--I don't think anybody here would deface that.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: LMNO on December 31, 2010, 03:17:28 pm
I think some people are implying that those quick "scribble" tags are often gang-related territorial markers, and to deface or cover them up signals that you're invading their turf and want to fight them.  And if they catch you doing it, they will have no hesitations about beating the crap out of you or, more simply, shooting you.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: AFK on December 31, 2010, 03:42:48 pm
Yeah, I don't think any GASM is worth getting a slug in your back. 
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Triple Zero on December 31, 2010, 03:57:00 pm
I think some people are implying that those quick "scribble" tags are often gang-related territorial markers, and to deface or cover them up signals that you're invading their turf and want to fight them.  And if they catch you doing it, they will have no hesitations about beating the crap out of you or, more simply, shooting you.

Is that what Dalekk was implying? Cause it doesn't sound like it?


But I agree about taking care when you got gangs in your area. Similarly if that is the case you should take care walking dark streets at night, as well.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on January 01, 2011, 02:16:14 pm
Yeah, I don't think any GASM is worth getting a slug in your back. 
Yeah, I don't think any GASM is worth getting a slug in your back. 
No risk, no glory, you pansies.  :argh!:
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: ͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅ ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on January 02, 2011, 12:51:06 am

But I agree about taking care when you got gangs in your area. Similarly if that is the case you should take care walking dark streets at night, as well.


That's not remotely similar. Covering a tag is deliberately asking for a fight.


Yeah, I don't think any GASM is worth getting a slug in your back. 
Yeah, I don't think any GASM is worth getting a slug in your back. 
No risk, no glory, you pansies.  :argh!:

True.

All I'm saying is that anyone considering doing this should know the shit they're stepping into may be far deeper than they realize.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on January 02, 2011, 04:10:53 am

But I agree about taking care when you got gangs in your area. Similarly if that is the case you should take care walking dark streets at night, as well.


That's not remotely similar. Covering a tag is deliberately asking for a fight.


Yeah, I don't think any GASM is worth getting a slug in your back. 
Yeah, I don't think any GASM is worth getting a slug in your back. 
No risk, no glory, you pansies.  :argh!:

True.

All I'm saying is that anyone considering doing this should know the shit they're stepping into may be far deeper than they realize.

Yes, this is true. Realise there is the potential to piss off gangs. Also realise, if you do it right, there is the potential to CONVERT them. And make them realise they're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Triple Zero on January 02, 2011, 11:34:26 am

But I agree about taking care when you got gangs in your area. Similarly if that is the case you should take care walking dark streets at night, as well.


That's not remotely similar. Covering a tag is deliberately asking for a fight.

Well, you shouldn't do that either then, eh?
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on January 02, 2011, 02:34:42 pm

But I agree about taking care when you got gangs in your area. Similarly if that is the case you should take care walking dark streets at night, as well.


That's not remotely similar. Covering a tag is deliberately asking for a fight.


In any case, I think if you're smart about this all, you'll be able to avoid fights and create a whole new type of chaos.
Personally, I'm not too worried about pissing off a punch of teenagers with ego issues, at least, not here in Australia, if anything, I'm pretty sure I could talk them into doing it themselves if they ever "catch" me.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Cramulus on January 02, 2011, 04:04:49 pm
your mileage may vary. a lot of the tags in my suburban hometown are 20+ years old, and there isn't any gang activity.

postergasm is, in essence, a way to participate in the dialogue of our urban landscape. postergasm and graffiti have a lot in common, they are both ways of transforming a space into something that organically reflects the people which live there.

I see no problem with people who want to take back their neighborhood from garbage tags and indecipherable scribbles. It's a funny way to undermine the people "cleaning up" the neighborhood too, who may prefer to see a silly slogan to a tag. Public spaces are nobody's territory - they're not owned by the city sanitation department , the graffiti writers, or us poster kids. We may modify these spaces, but our changes will be impermanent. Such is the nature of an organic public space.

What's most interesting to me is trip's point about how graffiti and crime are related to each other. Imagine it going the other way... what if you were in a neighborhood where EVERYBODY postered? what kinds of behaviors might be encouraged instead of crime? food for thought

Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Triple Zero on January 02, 2011, 04:49:49 pm
Actually, according to the research (carried out by the University of Groningen--but I think the link about it was posted here as well), a bit that I left out is that it seems to be the general "feeling of disorder" somewhat, the results are really interesting, but if your posters look like trash or "feel" criminal, they'd probably have the same effect. For instance, litter or discarded flyers had a similar effect. And, unfortunately, due to the common perception of graffiti in general, people don't really distinguish between 10-second "tags" and the really colourful complicated big wall urban typography, which, I presume, most of us would agree can be a lot prettier than just a dead wall.

On the other hand, it's all about the feeling it provokes.

It's like the big average of tiny subconscious feelings of hundreds of passers-by. So no use complaining they react "wrong" to something (pretty graffiti) because they don't "understand", because understanding takes no part in it. You are communicating with a part of the Machine, not people. And it's a dumb beast, and it can't be better.

However, I would guess that the "lost cat" poster variations might have a very different effect. I mean, actual "lost cat" posters might convey a sort of warm feeling of neighbourhoodness/connectedness? Maybe? Or does it just tell people "this is an area where pets get lost / under a car"?

I think if you subvert a certain theme, like a "lost cat" poster, you don't really change the "averaged subconscious reaction" of the crowd, so to say.

Similarly, subverted "official" looking posters again have a different effect. Also depending on their location of course. A random alley would be rather out of place.

(And also, Cram! You're online again, got my PM?)
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Placid Dingo on January 03, 2011, 12:58:32 am
Also, on Lies point, in Aus most 'gang tags' are more prone to be a bunch of muddle headed binge drinking dickheads who are quite likely still of school age, not the local cocaine distribution network. So there's some cultural differences there.

Like, the Bra Boys will bash people sure, but it's not even close to messing with say, Bloods or Crips. So far as I'm aware.

Also, 000, do you have a link? I'm familiar with the experiment but would love to see it again. As far as I remember it wasn't so much 'moral judgement is affected' as much as 'when people see rules being broken, they are more likely to break other rules'. I accept the general finding though. IIRC, along with graffiti, the put bikes on a 'no bikes' section, and found more people ignored a 'stay off the grass' sign.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on January 03, 2011, 01:35:26 am
your mileage may vary. a lot of the tags in my suburban hometown are 20+ years old, and there isn't any gang activity.


Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well, a lot of the tags I know are around are just old tags that no ones bothered to clean up, I'm sure the few that are "in use" are the rarer ones anyway.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on January 03, 2011, 01:38:28 am
Actually, according to the research (carried out by the University of Groningen--but I think the link about it was posted here as well), a bit that I left out is that it seems to be the general "feeling of disorder" somewhat, the results are really interesting, but if your posters look like trash or "feel" criminal, they'd probably have the same effect. For instance, litter or discarded flyers had a similar effect. And, unfortunately, due to the common perception of graffiti in general, people don't really distinguish between 10-second "tags" and the really colourful complicated big wall urban typography, which, I presume, most of us would agree can be a lot prettier than just a dead wall.

On the other hand, it's all about the feeling it provokes.

It's like the big average of tiny subconscious feelings of hundreds of passers-by. So no use complaining they react "wrong" to something (pretty graffiti) because they don't "understand", because understanding takes no part in it. You are communicating with a part of the Machine, not people. And it's a dumb beast, and it can't be better.

However, I would guess that the "lost cat" poster variations might have a very different effect. I mean, actual "lost cat" posters might convey a sort of warm feeling of neighbourhoodness/connectedness? Maybe? Or does it just tell people "this is an area where pets get lost / under a car"?

I think if you subvert a certain theme, like a "lost cat" poster, you don't really change the "averaged subconscious reaction" of the crowd, so to say.

Similarly, subverted "official" looking posters again have a different effect. Also depending on their location of course. A random alley would be rather out of place.

(And also, Cram! You're online again, got my PM?)

My favourite posters to put up are TGRR's Sermons, the "You are not free" type posters, the "lost cat" posters and such.
Also, I made a poster out of Crams Julian Assange is not the target rant on 23ae.

Also, I've got a gang to help me poster now, so like, it's not as if I'm alone in my efforts just in case some random asshole does notice us fucking with his tags.

Also, what Placid Dingo said.

So yeah. I declare graffitigasm an officially awesome idea, if I do say so myself.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Cramulus on January 03, 2011, 02:12:31 am
My favourite posters to put up are TGRR's Sermons, the "You are not free" type posters, the "lost cat" posters and such.
Also, I made a poster out of Crams Julian Assange is not the target rant on 23ae.

bad ass! can I get a pic of it in play?
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Lies on January 03, 2011, 02:26:13 am
My favourite posters to put up are TGRR's Sermons, the "You are not free" type posters, the "lost cat" posters and such.
Also, I made a poster out of Crams Julian Assange is not the target rant on 23ae.

bad ass! can I get a pic of it in play?
Sure, I can do that soon.
Maybe tomorrow.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Triple Zero on January 10, 2011, 01:39:28 am
Also, on Lies point, in Aus most 'gang tags' are more prone to be a bunch of muddle headed binge drinking dickheads who are quite likely still of school age, not the local cocaine distribution network. So there's some cultural differences there.

Like, the Bra Boys will bash people sure, but it's not even close to messing with say, Bloods or Crips. So far as I'm aware.

Also, 000, do you have a link? I'm familiar with the experiment but would love to see it again. As far as I remember it wasn't so much 'moral judgement is affected' as much as 'when people see rules being broken, they are more likely to break other rules'. I accept the general finding though. IIRC, along with graffiti, the put bikes on a 'no bikes' section, and found more people ignored a 'stay off the grass' sign.

I'd have to look it up ... It was done by the University of Groningen, even.

One (not quite) surprising result of the experiment was that they put a mailbox in the alley, with a letter hanging just half out the opening. The envelope had one of those plastic "windows" in it, through which one could clearly see a 20 euro note. In the graffiti'd version of the alley, significantly more people pocketed the envelope, instead of (the morally right action) pushing it back in, so it would fall through the opening. It's a really nice moral test, IMO, because once you pushed it in, you can't get it back, so you only need one moment of "moral clarity" to do it, and afterwards you no longer have a nagging feeling like "someone else will take it" or a banknote staring at you.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: ͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅ ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on March 01, 2011, 09:48:18 pm
I covered up a lame neo-nazi sticker.

 8)

In related news:

(http://i.imgur.com/rAnr0.png)

That photo (which I didn't take, btw) is also featured on this fairly badass blog:

hxxp://bomit.com/stickerblog/2011/02/12/exposure-portland-oregon/
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: Luna on March 01, 2011, 10:54:26 pm
I need that "Bankrupt Stut" sticker.  Maybe two.

I haz a use.  All I'd need is a really, REALLY solid alibi.
Title: Re: GraffitiGASM (an optional side mission for posterGASM)
Post by: ͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅ ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on March 02, 2011, 03:23:30 am
I need that "Bankrupt Stut" sticker.  Maybe two.

I haz a use.  All I'd need is a really, REALLY solid alibi.

Sorry, I don't know her and don't know how to get my hands on her stickers.

You could try and contact her on her flickr account though:

hxxp://www.flickr.com/people/24678216@N07/

ETA: Or her vimeo account (NSFW video):

hxxp://vimeo.com/20493084