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Aneristic Illusions / Re: E-Democracy
« on: May 24, 2021, 05:09:17 am »
Considering voting, and much more sensitive communication-based Structures in government now rely on the Internet and various Software-based technologies anyways, I don't see any issues with Democracy (Representative) existing on a more instantaneous medium like the Internet. There are plenty of standard security practices that are effective enough at that scale, it's not that big of a deal. With the right Software design, it could even make the governmental Architecture easier to understand for the layman.

I would like to say, I'm intrigued by the Proxy Voting System, not as a primary form of voting, but maybe as an extremely transient and optional feature when looking to vote in Elections, and more supported when voting on actual Legislation. The main concern I have with this being used in Elections (Where votes should be Anonymous), however, is potential bad actors saying one thing to gain Proxy Votes in order to actually direct them at the exact opposite Nominee that the Proxiers expected. Destabilization of the structure would be extremely easy in this case. Proxying should be extremely restricted or not allowed for Elections. This is not an issue when voting on Legislation, however, since Legislation Votes should be Public, just as they are now (When cast by Representatives of course - Not in the case of Direct Democracy, which I don't agree with for reasons Dok et al have already clarified.).

Personally, I think this thread has been looking at the Voting and Legislative process problems from the wrong angle (To be fair, I only read the first few pages, some pages in the middle, and the last few pages, so some of this may have been brought up here or other places already.). The problems in today's society are generally caused by Legal/Late Stage Capitalism's (Different from Free Market Capitalism, in that the State has formalized and blessed its natural failures and Monopolies.) natural support for Hierarchical, Bureaucratic Organizational Structures through:

- Overcomplication of legal and business processes

- Hoarding/Gatekeeping of knowledge of these processes within highly specialized Domains of the Private Sector

We solve these problems by enforcing simplification of Legislation through standardization of its language, and through the use of Encapsulation (Often used in Programming and other linguistics fields to establish intuitive Abstraction Layers within written Instruction that allow you to reference groups of smaller instructions with simpler high-level instructions.).

Basically, if you can't represent your legislation in a recursive drop-down tree of standardized, reusable instructions, conditions, and ideas, it's not structured enough to be acceptable. Object/Domain-orientation can also be applied for further high-level organization.

Why treat legislation like Software? Because Legislation is a formal, syntactically specific form of instruction, and because States all over are already starting to do this (kind of) as they've begun transcribing legislation and legal codes into websites. Recursive linking is already implemented through the Article, Section, etc. Structure. This should be extrapolated out into the fundamental syntax of legal language. The establishment of a structured syntax standard that specializes in Object/Domain Orientation and Encapsulation would make it easier for the Layman to understand the Legislation being voted on without requiring a Law Degree or special training. It also increases re-usability of Legislation Components in the same way it makes Software Modules reusable. It would facilitate the average Citizen's ability to drag and drop high-level Legislative snippets and ideas into a proposed bill as high-level components (That still contain all the low-level, expanded legalese that make up those components) and submit the full proposals in almost no time at all, even using popular/preferres components from existing and successful pieces of Legislation. If done properly, it should be possible for someone in the Electorate to identify a problem and submit fully functional, repeatable Legislation in a day that can be quickly assessed and amended by the Legislature before going to a vote.

This Architecture, of course, would require collaboration between teams of Linguistics experts, Software Architects and Engineers, Lawyers, Teachers, and Community Organizers to ensure that current Local, State, and National Legislation is properly transcribed ("Properly" meaning, it meets the suggested criteria of being modular, while also being linguistically inclusive of the layman and internationalized with accurate translations to other languages.), and we would need to standardize the Software Solution and open the Source for transparency and Community-based Hardening. But it wouldn't be as expensive or time consuming to implement as you might think.

The next problem, after you've made Legislation uniform and accessible, is the distribution of Democratic Power, and destruction of unnecessary Bureaucracy. No more of this City Manager + City Council + Cabinet + Department Head Appointee, stretch each layer of Hierarchy between elected positions upward as much as possible bullshit. If we want a Meritocracy, we need to structure the Democracy in the same way that Meritocratic Domain Specialization naturally occurs, and we need to make sure each layer in the Hierarchy is subject to Democratic oversight by the layer below AND the layer above (Above -> Merely by representation instead of Direct Democracy; Below -> By Election/Delegation of Members and Intent upwards to fill higher levels/tiers).

I recommend a modified form of Participatory Politics, where Democratic Hierarchies in all branches of government are formed as needed from the ground up through Community organization around Governing Domains (Hierarchies of Categorization of Legislation topics, as well as governing jurisdiction by population density and location.). My primary concern with it's suggested implementation on Wikipedia is that everyone is required to participate as a council member at the bottom rung, at least. I think we could easily replace the structure of the current State's major components with something that resembles their proposed "Parpolity" structure without replacing it entirely with a system where every single person is directly involved, since a significant number of people won't care to be involved in government and their involvement will likely impede those who do care. Besides, I think the assumption in their proposed implementation was that anyone who wasn't involved was simply ignored by the system, either defaulting non-participants to Anarchism or surrounding State Rule, which is hilariously unrealistic. As long as the Electoral and Legislative Proposal processes are open to all citizens that fall under corresponding Jurisdictions, Agencies, Legislatures, and Courts, I think we're okay with actual Council participation being optional, but immediately accessible by the individual, if preferred. It's also important not to lose the current Organizations and Infrastructure that currently exist by rebuilding each Agency/Legislature/Court from the ground up again. It's possible to transition existing Organizations to the new Structure and re-adjust the scale afterwards as needed using the new system's predefined processes.

The structure ultimately ensures:

- Cancellation of Mob Rule through Randomized Courts at each Council Tier, made up of individuals within the Scope of that Council's jurisdiction.

- Scope of Legislation is restricted to the Scope of the proposing Council (And all its corresponding and represented, but non-governing citizens in its jurisdiction) downward

- Hierarchy is established from the bottom up, instead of the top down, ensuring stratification is minimized to what is deemed necessary by the lower levels to ensure adequate domain specialization, representation, and specificity.

It's also suggested that Parecon (Participatory Economics) is paired with this to ensure similar Democratization of the Means of Production, but I have the same concerns with this structure that I had with the other. I think we've seen enough Democratic Workplace structures succeed (Like Co-Ops, and similar structures.) that we can come up with a mix that enforces Socialization of the Means of Production without resulting in a planned economy like they suggest. Market Socialism is probably ideal, and I think it would be best implemented using concepts from Parecon - Not the whole thing. Mostly just the decentralized organization of Democratic Labor, but with Personal and Shared Ownership of Property giving way to a fully featured Market that is less likely to leave its constituents starving or dependent on Slave Labor or Planetary destruction to survive.

Happy to talk specifics, either in this thread, or in another. This was a very high-level overview.

Growth Coalitions are the independent Power Structures at the Local and State levels that include Retailers, Land Owner Monopolies, Landlords, and City Managers/Politicians that benefit from Population and Land growth. A great breakdown by the leading voice in Power Structure Research can be found here.

Essentially, they work together to drive investments into Cities, often at the cost of neighborhood Public Health, Safety, and Community. They are largely responsible for Gentrification and displacement of the poor. Not everything they do is negative, per se, but their tendency to favor profit over Social well-being makes them a Net Negative force.

so, no, but yes?  i was just makin chit chat.  i checked out your FB page.  I feel like I disagree with a lot of your premises and have the urge to try to debate them.  Admittedly, it's not an arena I have a lot of experience in, though.  For example, I'm not familiar with the term "growth coalition."

Liberals/Pluralists and Right-Wingers/Libertarians tend not to agree with me. I'm assuming you're in the former crowd, to give you the benefit of the doubt.

you're not one of those conspiracy theorists i keep hearing so much about, are ya?

Well, what kind of Conspiracy Theorist are we talking about? I don't think we're turning the frogs gay, or that Biden is Trump in a Biden costume and Trump never left the White House. But I do believe that a significant portion of the Capitalist Elite are conspiring with Growth Coalitions to extract wealth and labor from as many people as possible at all costs.

It felt wrong, but still voted Biden, if that helps.

Follow my page on Facebook "Elmer Season" if you want similar stuff, as that's where I tend to post things to anymore. I refuse to use Page/Post Boosting or Ads, so all my viewership has to be organic or done through direct outreach like this, so no need to worry about anything going to Facebook besides the views.

Just some Lefty Propaganda for those interested. Inspired by some JacobinMag literature and some writings by G. William Domhoff. Highly recommend him for high-level views of American Power Structures.

Historical Genesis of Hierarchical Power Structures

Humans have always created Hierarchical Power Structures in a 3-Step process known as Circumscription (Binding People to a place):

  • Organization of Innovation of Production and/or Consumption on a given piece of land to increase its value to its locals and foreigners alike (Irrigation agriculture/trade monopolies did this before governments existed), and distribution of its resources to those a leader wishes to control

  • With that control, establishment of a Military to enforce a Leader's Ownership of that Land

  • And establishment of a Religion that legitimizes that Leader's position in the Hierarchy

The difficulties you face in trying to walk away from Local Growth Coalitions and Capitalist Monopolies, as well as the profitable, private Infrastructure and conveniences they provide, are intentional consequences set to increase Population Density, and therefore Profit per square foot of Land, not the result of natural Market Influences.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: How to tell if you're in a Cult
« on: February 12, 2021, 06:10:10 pm »
My Church Leader, Supreme Lord of the Universe Keith Kyles told me words like "Cult" are just psychological traps created by Leftist Cancel Culture, so I'm going to have to disagree with you on principle.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: January 20, 2021, 01:35:39 pm »

Well, partially. I thought they'd go through VanwaTech to get the Hosting, but they decided to go straight to VanwaTech's Host Providers, DDoS-Guard. So it's official. Parler is now hosted on Russian-owned servers, and the Russians now have unmitigated access to an American Right-Wing Conspiracy Propaganda Machine.

This definitely won't have an impact on American politics for decades. At all.

Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only
« on: January 12, 2021, 12:44:00 pm »
EDIT: I'm terrible at joke execution, worse at mixing jokes and sensitive topics, and THE worst at recognizing and appreciating the INCREDIBLE luck I've been blessed with: To have been asymptomatic with COVID, know absolutely no one that has died from COVID, AND have not been impacted, career-wise, by COVID.

Please forgive any stupid insensitivity on my part regarding this post or any others.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: January 11, 2021, 10:45:17 pm »
Very probably, but since Parler's users doxxed themselves I doubt they were struggling to get the info in the first place.

True :lulz:  - I guess it was the direct influence over Ex-Military and Active Law Enforcement that I was more worried about. They'd have direct jurisdiction over what happens on the site, the information presented, and could more easily access and direct resistance groups and movements based on EM/LE involvement, and take advantage of insider details that they post in what would normally be closed groups, simply because they have direct access to all the data. Ideally, they'd no longer have to get an operative to try and weasel his way into a group (Not that it was hard anyways) or fish for suckers and distribute propaganda. They would be able to orchestrate the flow of information through Idiot America almost programmatically. If they've got Admin access, they could create their own Users with specific access, process post text for keywords and build statistics to get a quantitative analysis of radicalism in public discourse, and amplify that radicalism with targeted Propaganda they feed into whatever groups they want whenever they want. Add in the fact that many of these people they're manipulating might have had Security Clearances and unique military experience, and they can probably start getting Groups created that build military knowledge repositories by asking those users the right questions, all in the name of "Take our country back from the 'Demonrats'".

I mean, is it absurd to suggest that we could start to see highly organized, unregulatable online paramilitary operations in US cities managed directly by Russia if that site becomes part of their jurisdiction?

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: January 11, 2021, 06:56:22 pm »
10 Bucks says Parler is intended to be hosted by VanWatech, the CDN for Daily Stormer, 8Chan/Kun, and QMap after Amazon turns them off at (3?)AM EST tonight.

Also, since VanwaTech's* Hosts are now officially in Russia, wouldn't that also mean that Russia would have unfettered access to Personal User Data and ex-US-Military/Active Law Enforcement insider knowledge, and overall Influence power from and over millions of Americans, many of which have just assisted in organizing a coup against the US Government and are ripe for use in further insurgencies?

I NEED AN ADULT  :horrormirth:

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: January 11, 2021, 04:17:35 am »
10 Bucks says Parler is intended to be hosted by VanWatech, the CDN for Daily Stormer, 8Chan/Kun, and QMap after Amazon turns them off at (3?)AM EST tonight.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: November 19, 2020, 02:46:00 pm »
A rusty Giuliani returns to the courtroom on Trump's behalf  (AP)

“In the plaintiffs’ counties, they were denied the opportunity to have an unobstructed observation and ensure opacity,” Giuliani said. “I’m not quite sure I know what opacity means. It probably means you can see, right?”

“It means you can’t,” said U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann.

“Big words, your honor,” Giuliani said.


Omfg  :lulz:

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: November 19, 2020, 02:03:30 pm »
The Supreme Court's generally staying out of the cases, leaving them as States' Rights issues (Never thought I'd say "States' Rights" in a positive context...). They acted on one if I recall, and it was a minor change to the proceedings that didn't actually affect the outcome of the race or whether States could certify.

What he's doing in the Middle East and to hamper Biden's transition is definitely worse than these court cases. He's pulling troops out of the Middle East and simultaneously trying to sell F-35 Fighter Jets to the United Arab Emirates, who have been involved in plenty of conflicts over the years, and aren't exactly friends with Iran, who we are currently a bit tense with.

He's either stupid and just sees this as a money grab (Kushner's been pushing for this deal, so I'm assuming the whole family benefits somehow), or he's sabataging Middle East peace talks (Specifically with Iran if I recall? Someone correct me if I'm wrong) to make Biden's job harder out of spite. Or, he sees it as a two-for-one deal. My money's on the latter.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: November 11, 2020, 06:02:47 pm »
Proud Boys are taking off their "Definitely not a Nazi" mask.

Time to arm yourselves. Shit's getting real. They won't be the only ones to take off the mask this week. This will empower the other militant groups.

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