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Well, I was just sayin'.  Both ideologies require that people behave in predictable, machine-like ways.  This is why both ideologies are complete and utter failures, and result in a very few people having it all at the expense of, you know, everyone else.

Can you give me one factual reason why a free market system as proposed by libertarianism is desirable?

I couldn't possibly argue that either system would be desirable for anyone but myself. Bitch, I don't know yo life. I'd simply say that I'd trade/exchange in a free-market manner regardless of what everyone else wants, because it's what works for me. The way I see it, people already trade/exchange in whatever way they want to, whether it be with restriction, or without it. If you choose to limit yourself with constructs and laws, be my guest. If I want to limit my trade with different constructs and laws than you do, that's my choice, and it shouldn't affect any of yours. I don't think anyone should be pressing their trade/exchange restrictions on anyone else. Free-market, to me, implies that all possible sides are accounted for.

If you find out that a company is doing something in a way that you don't like, you can boycott them. I see the argument for that being a massive inconvenience for everyone involved (Or only for you, if you're the only one who disagrees), but that just means you need to decide which consequence is more in your favor: Buying from a shitneck company and having the things you want/need, or finding other more inconvenient ways to get what you want/need or not having everything you want/need. And now it all comes back to consequences. FUCK ME, I HAD IT WRONG ALL ALONG. CONSEQUENCES DICTATE BOTH SIDES' ACTIONS.

Sigh, see underlined ^

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: March 30, 2014, 02:35:14 am »

Well, you want to be bound, which is the opposite of being free anyhow, so there you go.  :fnord:

Why I oughta!!  :argh!:

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Libertarianism/Free Market Tard is the same bad signal that makes people think communism is a good idea.  In fact, the two are more or less identical.

I see why you would say that, but I think that is because we view things differently on a fundamental level. I'm ok with that though. I disagree with many people in a very similar way. We tend to get along fine now that I've come to see that.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Snowdon trolls NSA via TED
« on: March 30, 2014, 02:28:21 am »
It's kinda mentioned right in the link I provided.  Contractors (non-government employees) are specifically mentioned and protected.

I was referring to the link. There are government contractors made up of government employees, and there are government contractors made up of private employees from private entities. I was asking if this law made a linguistic separation of these two, but I now realize that would be stupid, considering there's no reason to mention public contractors in this subpart if they are automatically protected by the main section.

Case of the derps. Soz.

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: March 30, 2014, 02:08:42 am »
Being free is always a metaphor, because we are always bound to something.

Being free from the constraints of reality is called schizophrenia or psychosis, and is that true freedom or is it an avoidance?

That could only be answered on an individual basis (Am I still around, consciously, after I die?) or by occultist dogmas. Currently, I have to remain agnostic on that question, because I want nothing to do with either at the moment.

Sad to say I was hoping for mind-body separation, but it's looking less and less likely/optimistic  :horrormirth:

I want to be bound to SOMETHING, as you put it. But I want to choose what that SOMETHING is, without outside influence. Then comes the question, is that possible? Fuckin looks like a no, from here  :cry:

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Nobody does anything for "no reason at all".  They don't typically have material gain in mind most of the time, if that's what you mean.

Yeah, I over-thought that one again.

Oh.  I hope you get better.

Thanks, me too :lulz:

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: March 30, 2014, 12:50:16 am »
Now, now, you do bring up a point. One I touched on in the "Rugged Individualism" thread. But, I would like to point out, that the way I see it, there is Freedom in disregard of obligation or societal constraint.

If you view isolation as freedom, I suppose.

But Crowley, so while I don't mean to be rude, I am leaving this thread.

Haha, fair enough.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Snowdon trolls NSA via TED
« on: March 30, 2014, 12:49:05 am »
Yeah, last I checked, there were whistle-blower avenues for public employees, not private contractors.

Um, you checked wrong.  The Whistleblower act is being blatantly ignored in the Snowden case.

https://acquisition.gov/far/current/html/Subpart%203_9.html

Oh, well fuck.

Are you sure this part of the Whistleblower Act accounts for PRIVATE contractors, and not just governmental/public contractors? There are parts of the bureaucracy that are dedicated to contract work for more than one agency, that would obviously be protected by this Whistleblower Act. Maybe it's my lack of understanding of law semantics, but I don't see anywhere where it specifies that these protected "contractors" can belong to a private entity. Maybe it's assumed by some other law or section mentioned in the definitions main section?

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: March 30, 2014, 12:27:52 am »
Why do we brush our hair or use deoderant?

Why do we wear clothes that are not 100% purely functional?

What do you mean by pure? Where does "me" come from? Where does it reside?

Again, too much Crowley. I've been thinking a lot about "The Magick Will," apparently, without realizing until earlier.

It appears to me that we do those things because of societal influences, as Nigel pointed out.

I would like to think that I reside in my consciousness, which appears to come from the brain, which is influenced by an infinite number of things, including genetic hard-wiring, environmental or conditioned predispositions, etc.. Where things go beyond that is mostly occult. Some say hivemind, some say soul, some say we're dreaming. I have no fucking clue, that's why I'm soaking up shit like this so easily. I want an answer that makes sense, and every time someone convinces me theirs makes sense, it's hard as fuck to see anything else. Answers that make sense make it hard to ask questions. That's why I come to people like you, to get my skepticism back. I need to stop losing it. Thanks all! :D

And I thought myself an optimist. Care to expand? A possible negative connotation to this would interest me greatly. I imagine it's the reason why others disagree with me.

If there's nobody you're tied to by duty, obligation, or other social constraints, then you aren't "free", you're "a hermit".

There is a subtle but very real difference, which can usually be detected by which person has any friends by age 40 or so.


Maybe I've been reading too much Crowley

Whoops, never mind.  I'll just see my way out.

Now, now, you do bring up a point. One I touched on in the "Rugged Individualism" thread. But, I would like to point out, that the way I see it, there is Freedom in disregard of obligation or societal constraint. But, I do see the argument that acting on "pure" will is, in a sense, a form of slavery. Maybe that's where the balance you spoke of in the "Rugged Individualism" thread comes into play?

Separating being a "hermit" from being "free," brings me to semantics. What if you were a hermit by will, and didn't need other people to live the rest of your life (Not even trying to say I would be ok with being completely alone and away from people. I love being around people. And, if it weren't for other people throughout my life, I would be dead.)? But then again, with that logic, one could argue that one is freely choosing to be influenced by society and their environment.

Fuck me, back where I started again. This ALWAYS happens.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Snowdon trolls NSA via TED
« on: March 29, 2014, 11:44:16 pm »
Yeah, last I checked, there were whistle-blower avenues for public employees, not private contractors. My government teacher tried to tell me these protections applied to Snowden, but I'm pretty sure he was wrong.

My government teacher also left out what Cain said. Time to go look it up! :D

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I'm just gonna go back to the original topic here:

This seems to be exactly what I needed to read, based on my confusion with my other post (rant). The thought of being alone had never occurred to me to be a negative stance, but more of a neutral stance. I've never really connected with anyone until recently, and so loneliness was never really a big deal until I read the connection that Nigel made in the OP.

Fuck, I try to take a step back and look at the biggest picture(s) I can see, but I just keep getting fed more small details that change what the bigger picture looks like.

I guess, for me, it always came down to this choice:

Do I take the time to destroy the predispositions and conditioned tendencies that have been instilled into me by the world (And neglect consequences of decisions I make because they condition/predispose me even more), and achieve transcendence through separation of the mind from the body? Or do I base everything I do off of logical reactions to the environment around me, becoming an adaptive robot?

As humans, I guess we tend to do both of these things at the same time, which causes a bit of conflict with others, as our tendencies toward one of these decisions over the others varies from person to person (Minus the occulty-stuff at the end of each decision, that shit is mine).

Or do most people do neither and contribute to the entropy of this cesspool we call a society for no reason at all? Is this the big-picture choice to be made, and is there a right answer? Am I just fucking nuts?

If I am, and you don't want to reply to this nonsense, just know I am a free-market tard, and it did piss me off.

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: March 29, 2014, 06:08:04 pm »
In psychoanalysis theress a saying: infancy is destiny.

Mileage might vary, but still...

You bring up an interesting point. Maybe I've been reading too much Crowley without my "critical-thinking cap" on. Must mean I have my "outrageously douchy douchebag cap" on. I mean, only douchebags describe mindsets with "caps."  :lulz:

I'll think about it all some more.

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: March 29, 2014, 05:17:05 pm »
Yeah, fuck society and social influences. Each of us is who he is purely by virtue of free will and self-determination. We are rugged individualists, and we rely on no one but ourselves.

I never took it quite that far in my head. I guess that would be one of those out-of-reach goals to be achieved at or near the end of my life. Obviously I owe a lot of things to how I was brought up and the the environment I've been in my whole life. But I would like to eventually be seen as "purely me."

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Or Kill Me / Re: I Am Free
« on: March 29, 2014, 05:03:54 am »
And I thought myself an optimist. Care to expand? A possible negative connotation to this would interest me greatly. I imagine it's the reason why others disagree with me.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Fuck the System
« on: March 29, 2014, 02:00:51 am »
Talks of abstraction always brings me back to Alfred Korzybski and General Semantics, which makes me hate abstraction layers. But the way you describe these specific systems of abstraction layers, it makes me appreciate them again. You know, like, back before they were the reason I didn't see anything with certainty.

My father has been into electronics since he was a teenager, and so he brought me up on the inner-workings of circuits and computer systems. I appreciated them early-on, so they started to bore me as the people around me started talking, in-depth, about them for the first time in my mid-teen years. I connected the concept of abstraction layers to computer systems early-on as well, but I've always been excited in seeing the connection to things outside of "techmology," like biology, as you've suggested.

Definitely tonight's feast for thought. Thanks.

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