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Show posts MenuQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 02, 2016, 11:56:15 PMQuote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 02, 2016, 11:02:27 PMQuote from: The Wizard Joseph on December 02, 2016, 11:00:55 PMQuote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 10:35:15 PMQuote from: LMNO on December 02, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
He seems to want to engage in link-for-link pedantry, whereas we take previously establish links as, well, previously established.
I don't think he really looks at threads other than his own, so he probably missed those conversations. Being completely self-absorbed will do that to a person.
I blame the Magick Training He Clearly Didn't Get
Whats your current spiritual practice? PM me or start a new thread I dont want to derail.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on December 02, 2016, 11:00:55 PMQuote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 10:35:15 PMQuote from: LMNO on December 02, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
He seems to want to engage in link-for-link pedantry, whereas we take previously establish links as, well, previously established.
I don't think he really looks at threads other than his own, so he probably missed those conversations. Being completely self-absorbed will do that to a person.
I blame the Magick Training He Clearly Didn't Get
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 10:35:15 PMQuote from: LMNO on December 02, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
He seems to want to engage in link-for-link pedantry, whereas we take previously establish links as, well, previously established.
I don't think he really looks at threads other than his own, so he probably missed those conversations. Being completely self-absorbed will do that to a person.
Quote from: Junkenstein on December 02, 2016, 10:25:01 PM
I suspect he'll be forced to pay attention at some point. At the least the dreaded media is going to be attacking him on all fronts so he'll be paying attention to that, if nothing else. He already can't handle being the butt of SNL jokes and that's about as tame as it's going to get. 6 months in and he'll be trying to get rid of comedy directed at him in it's entirety. Probably using a "you MUST respect the dignity of the office" line.
Quote from: LMNO on December 02, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
He seems to want to engage in link-for-link pedantry, whereas we take previously establish links as, well, previously established.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 05:26:36 PM
I think this is an interesting article. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/01/gamergate-alt-right-hate-trump?CMP=fb_gu&utm_content=buffer76b92&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 04:39:21 PM
The people who voted for Donald Trump are the quintessence of Middle America: white middle-class people who believe in a particular midcentury ideal of the American Dream, one in which healthy happy nuclear families with a stay-at-home-mom go to church every Sunday. Black people, immigrants, gays, and single parents are not part of this vision; that's why they could so easily disregard ther well-being with their vote. They are racist, but it's the kind of passive racism that allows people to do grievous harm against black communities with their votes while claiming (and earnestly believing) that they are not racist. Abortion isn't an issue for them because good women get married and stay married while good men work hard to support their families. They cant have immigrants TAKING those jobs, that wouldn't be right, and gay people... well, that's alright as long as they keep it behind closed doors, and as long as it's not MY son or daughter because I didn't raise them like that.
It's not a mystery. They are the rosy-cheeked, suburban, middle-class, Christian, white, conservative American Dream. That's what they're fighting for. The ones that don't have it, want it, and they earnestly think that Donald Trump will lead them back into the dream of trickle-down economics by lifting burdens from the wealth creators like Ronald Reagan reborn from the ashes of the 80's.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2016/11/09/donald-trumps-presidenti-victory-demographics/#16ec92b179a8
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
http://billmoyers.com/story/so-who-are-donald-trumps-voters/
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This is not to say that Trump voters are happy about the condition of the economy. Substantial majorities of Republicans in every state so far have said they're "very worried" about the condition of the U.S. economy, according to exit polls, and these voters have been more likely to vote for Trump. But that anxiety doesn't necessarily reflect their personal economic circumstances, which for many Trump voters, at least in a relative sense, are reasonably good.
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on December 02, 2016, 12:33:08 PMQuote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 01, 2016, 10:30:19 PMQuote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 30, 2016, 11:31:34 PMQuote from: whenhellfreezes on November 29, 2016, 01:35:38 AMQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 28, 2016, 10:30:04 AMQuote from: whenhellfreezes on November 28, 2016, 03:22:05 AM
Lots of people don't vote because they don't feel like its very effective, and they are right to feel that.
And that's how they get the government they deserve.
Now I feel a bit foolish. Of course taking the ~20 minutes to vote is worth it. It is more effective than other things you could do in that time. I should have just said that they don't feel like its effective but not said they were right to feel so. I guess I am prone to defeatism.
There were areas where it was five to seven hours. Basically, places where people had to miss a full day of work, if they even had the option, in order to vote.
I know I keep playing this fiddle, but THIS WASN'T ACCIDENTAL. This was orchestrated. Since the 2004 election, Republicans have been working furiously at local levels to close polls in poor and black areas, and to institute voter ID laws and other measures, like registration purges, to block poor and black voters, who trend strongly Democrat, from voting.
So without these laws rural/rust belt America would have voted Democrat? Do you still not understand what the electoral college is? Keep in mind, rural/rust belt America did vote Democrat for Obama twice. Very interested in your theory of how Obama won the raging white supremacist vote.
That's a very interesting way of completely not responding to what Nigel actually said.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 04:42:26 AMQuote from: Junkenstein on December 02, 2016, 02:12:53 AMQuote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 02, 2016, 12:14:15 AMQuote from: Junkenstein on December 02, 2016, 12:09:04 AM
Sigh.
Keep telling yourself it was about trade deals. It's easier than facing reality I guess.
So trade had absolutely nothing to do with it? Clintons support of the TPP and NAFTA was just trivia? Again, please oh person who was completely ignorant of Trumps victory explain to me how his voters ACTUALLY think.
And keep completely ignoring the economy brahs! Totally isnt a thing that people vote for at all!
I'm pretty sure the Klan vote, for example, didn't give a fuck. I'm also quite sure the fundamentalist Christian vote didn't give a shit either. In both cases there "white male" was the winning ticket.
Or are we still pretending that voters are well informed on a range of issues?
And Nigel, I think it's more likely to be "Fedora issues" for want of a better term. The bullshit mea culpa made that much apparent.
Haha, yeah, fedora issues seem apparent.
As for Trump's constituents, I have seen some very good analyses of their demographics and their primary concerns, some of which have been posted here, all of which far outstrip RPs amateur-hour attempts.
I sure miss Cain, in these dark and trying times
Quote from: Junkenstein on December 02, 2016, 02:12:53 AMQuote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 02, 2016, 12:14:15 AMQuote from: Junkenstein on December 02, 2016, 12:09:04 AM
Sigh.
Keep telling yourself it was about trade deals. It's easier than facing reality I guess.
So trade had absolutely nothing to do with it? Clintons support of the TPP and NAFTA was just trivia? Again, please oh person who was completely ignorant of Trumps victory explain to me how his voters ACTUALLY think.
And keep completely ignoring the economy brahs! Totally isnt a thing that people vote for at all!
I'm pretty sure the Klan vote, for example, didn't give a fuck. I'm also quite sure the fundamentalist Christian vote didn't give a shit either. In both cases there "white male" was the winning ticket.
Or are we still pretending that voters are well informed on a range of issues?
And Nigel, I think it's more likely to be "Fedora issues" for want of a better term. The bullshit mea culpa made that much apparent.
Quote from: Pergamos on December 02, 2016, 12:33:54 AM
I didn't think he was going to win because Clinton is very clearly the establishment candidate. This means I was either too cynical about how rigged the system is or not cynical enough and the establishment is done with the lube and is strapping on the big spiked dildo.
Quote from: MMIX on December 02, 2016, 12:24:00 AMQuote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 02, 2016, 12:21:59 AMQuote from: MMIX on December 02, 2016, 12:17:55 AMQuote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 01, 2016, 11:48:36 PM
[snip] Point still stands. You were all wrong about Trump. Despite being completely wrong none of you are any less smug. Have you ever stopped and thought about why you failed to see Trump coming?
NB This post is in the wrong thread. It should be in the thread entitled
QuoteCalling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
oh, wait, . . . yeah a thread which has been running since August 04, 2015. So, did a majority of the folks around here want there to be a Democrat victory - yes, that's probably true. But you are going so much further than that and claiming that there was spell cast across the forum which blinded everyone from assessing the progress of the electoral process realistically. Calling bullshit on that one. The sad thing is that around here the ability to face up to Awful Truths is painfully high.
I live in hope that people aren't damn stupid enough to take obvious generalizations at completely face value. Also actually go back and look at the thread. The two people I am talking to right now both were in the "Trump is impossible" camp. Nigel was making posts all the way to the end about how Trump was doomed.
Links or it didn't happen. Also this is STILL in the wrong thread
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 27, 2016, 11:09:40 PM
Via, reddit, seems relevant:
"Edgy 20 year old starter pack"
Quote from: MMIX on December 02, 2016, 12:17:55 AMQuote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 01, 2016, 11:48:36 PM
[snip] Point still stands. You were all wrong about Trump. Despite being completely wrong none of you are any less smug. Have you ever stopped and thought about why you failed to see Trump coming?
NB This post is in the wrong thread. It should be in the thread entitled
QuoteCalling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
oh, wait, . . . yeah a thread which has been running since August 04, 2015. So, did a majority of the folks around here want there to be a Democrat victory - yes, that's probably true. But you are going so much further than that and claiming that there was spell cast across the forum which blinded everyone from assessing the progress of the electoral process realistically. Calling bullshit on that one. The sad thing is that around here the ability to face up to Awful Truths is painfully high.