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#106
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Turning Purple
December 03, 2016, 02:41:12 PM
Still waiting for an answer.
#107
#108
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Turning Purple
December 03, 2016, 12:04:30 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 02, 2016, 11:56:15 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 02, 2016, 11:02:27 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on December 02, 2016, 11:00:55 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 10:35:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 02, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
He seems to want to engage in link-for-link pedantry, whereas we take previously establish links as, well, previously established.

I don't think he really looks at threads other than his own, so he probably missed those conversations. Being completely self-absorbed will do that to a person.

I blame the Magick Training He Clearly Didn't Get

Whats your current spiritual practice? PM me or start a new thread I dont want to derail.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Magic is literally real and was a deciding factor in the 2016 election. I will debate this with anyone.
#109
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Turning Purple
December 02, 2016, 11:02:27 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on December 02, 2016, 11:00:55 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 10:35:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 02, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
He seems to want to engage in link-for-link pedantry, whereas we take previously establish links as, well, previously established.

I don't think he really looks at threads other than his own, so he probably missed those conversations. Being completely self-absorbed will do that to a person.

I blame the Magick Training He Clearly Didn't Get

Whats your current spiritual practice? PM me or start a new thread I dont want to derail.
#110
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Turning Purple
December 02, 2016, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 10:35:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 02, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
He seems to want to engage in link-for-link pedantry, whereas we take previously establish links as, well, previously established.

I don't think he really looks at threads other than his own, so he probably missed those conversations. Being completely self-absorbed will do that to a person.

Ok Im awful. What was wrong with what I posted?
#111
Quote from: Junkenstein on December 02, 2016, 10:25:01 PM
I suspect he'll be forced to pay attention at some point. At the least the dreaded media is going to be attacking him on all fronts so he'll be paying attention to that, if nothing else. He already can't handle being the butt of SNL jokes and that's about as tame as it's going to get. 6 months in and he'll be trying to get rid of comedy directed at him in it's entirety. Probably using a "you MUST respect the dignity of the office" line.

Why would he do that when his responses to comedy about him allow him to completely dominate the news cycle with a single tweet?
#112
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Turning Purple
December 02, 2016, 07:57:08 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 02, 2016, 07:52:16 PM
He seems to want to engage in link-for-link pedantry, whereas we take previously establish links as, well, previously established.

What
#113
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Turning Purple
December 02, 2016, 07:44:49 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 05:26:36 PM
I think this is an interesting article. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/01/gamergate-alt-right-hate-trump?CMP=fb_gu&utm_content=buffer76b92&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

> IT IS CURRENT YEAR AND PEOPLE STILL CARE ABOUT GAMERGATE

Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 04:39:21 PM
The people who voted for Donald Trump are the quintessence of Middle America: white middle-class people who believe in a particular midcentury ideal of the American Dream, one in which healthy happy nuclear families with a stay-at-home-mom go to church every Sunday. Black people, immigrants, gays, and single parents are not part of this vision; that's why they could so easily disregard ther well-being with their vote. They are racist, but it's the kind of passive racism that allows people to do grievous harm against black communities with their votes while claiming (and earnestly believing) that they are not racist. Abortion isn't an issue for them because good women get married and stay married while good men work hard to support their families. They cant have immigrants TAKING those jobs, that wouldn't be right, and gay people... well, that's alright as long as they keep it behind closed doors, and as long as it's not MY son or daughter because I didn't raise them like that.

It's not a mystery. They are the rosy-cheeked, suburban, middle-class, Christian, white, conservative American Dream. That's what they're fighting for. The ones that don't have it, want it, and they earnestly think that Donald Trump will lead them back into the dream of trickle-down economics by lifting burdens from the wealth creators like Ronald Reagan reborn from the ashes of the 80's.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2016/11/09/donald-trumps-presidenti-victory-demographics/#16ec92b179a8
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
http://billmoyers.com/story/so-who-are-donald-trumps-voters/


Hurr durr:



Bear in mind again, this was not a popular election it was an electoral one. That surge of voters, even though it didnt win him the majority of the poor vote, won him the electoral votes of mostly poor rust belt states which ended up deciding the election. These are people who voted for Obama twice but now voted for Trump.

Also, from your own fucking source that you just posted:
Quote
This is not to say that Trump voters are happy about the condition of the economy. Substantial majorities of Republicans in every state so far have said they're "very worried" about the condition of the U.S. economy, according to exit polls, and these voters have been more likely to vote for Trump. But that anxiety doesn't necessarily reflect their personal economic circumstances, which for many Trump voters, at least in a relative sense, are reasonably good.

Even his more well off voters were voting very largely on the issue of the economy. Why are you so absolutely dead set on ignoring the economy as a factor in the election?
#114
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Turning Purple
December 02, 2016, 02:48:49 PM
Quote from: Cainad (dec.) on December 02, 2016, 12:33:08 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 01, 2016, 10:30:19 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 30, 2016, 11:31:34 PM
Quote from: whenhellfreezes on November 29, 2016, 01:35:38 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 28, 2016, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: whenhellfreezes on November 28, 2016, 03:22:05 AM
Lots of people don't vote because they don't feel like its very effective, and they are right to feel that.

And that's how they get the government they deserve.   :lulz:

Now I feel a bit foolish. Of course taking the ~20 minutes to vote is worth it. It is more effective than other things you could do in that time. I should have just said that they don't feel like its effective but not said they were right to feel so. I guess I am prone to defeatism.

There were areas where it was five to seven hours. Basically, places where people had to miss a full day of work, if they even had the option, in order to vote.

I know I keep playing this fiddle, but THIS WASN'T ACCIDENTAL. This was orchestrated. Since the 2004 election, Republicans have been working furiously at local levels to close polls in poor and black areas, and to institute voter ID laws and other measures, like registration purges, to block poor and black voters, who trend strongly Democrat, from voting.

So without these laws rural/rust belt America would have voted Democrat? Do you still not understand what the electoral college is? Keep in mind, rural/rust belt America did vote Democrat for Obama twice. Very interested in your theory of how Obama won the raging white supremacist vote.

That's a very interesting way of completely not responding to what Nigel actually said.

She said that voter suppression against black voters played a major role in this election, after explaining why liberals did absolutely nothing wrong while losing control of the presidency, the legislature and the supreme court. I asked her if without voter suppression does she honestly think rural and rust belt America, you know the electoral votes that won this for Trump, would have been blue. But I guess that could be rephrased to, how would the electoral map have been different at all?

Note, "voter suppression" is just a variation of her previous point, that liberals made no mistakes and therefore dont have to introspect, change or learn at all from this crushing defeat.

#115
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 02, 2016, 04:42:26 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on December 02, 2016, 02:12:53 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 02, 2016, 12:14:15 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on December 02, 2016, 12:09:04 AM
Sigh.

Keep telling yourself it was about trade deals. It's easier than facing reality I guess.

So trade had absolutely nothing to do with it? Clintons support of the TPP and NAFTA was just trivia? Again, please oh person who was completely ignorant of Trumps victory explain to me how his voters ACTUALLY think.

And keep completely ignoring the economy brahs! Totally isnt a thing that people vote for at all!

I'm pretty sure the Klan vote, for example, didn't give a fuck. I'm also quite sure the fundamentalist Christian vote didn't give a shit either. In both cases there "white male" was the winning ticket.

Or are we still pretending that voters are well informed on a range of issues?

And Nigel, I think it's more likely to be "Fedora issues" for want of a better term. The bullshit mea culpa made that much apparent.

Haha, yeah, fedora issues seem apparent.

As for Trump's constituents, I have seen some very good analyses of their demographics and their primary concerns, some of which have been posted here, all of which far outstrip RPs amateur-hour attempts.

I sure miss Cain, in these dark and trying times

Damn so you have some unnamed, unlinked studies which state really interesting things but the only thing you can remember about them is their smarter than what Im posting. You sure know how to add to a discussion. Dont you have some aimless violent riots to cheer on?
#116
Quote from: Junkenstein on December 02, 2016, 02:12:53 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 02, 2016, 12:14:15 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on December 02, 2016, 12:09:04 AM
Sigh.

Keep telling yourself it was about trade deals. It's easier than facing reality I guess.

So trade had absolutely nothing to do with it? Clintons support of the TPP and NAFTA was just trivia? Again, please oh person who was completely ignorant of Trumps victory explain to me how his voters ACTUALLY think.

And keep completely ignoring the economy brahs! Totally isnt a thing that people vote for at all!

I'm pretty sure the Klan vote, for example, didn't give a fuck. I'm also quite sure the fundamentalist Christian vote didn't give a shit either. In both cases there "white male" was the winning ticket.

Or are we still pretending that voters are well informed on a range of issues?

And Nigel, I think it's more likely to be "Fedora issues" for want of a better term. The bullshit mea culpa made that much apparent.

How big do you think "the Klan vote" actually is? Also Christian Fundamentalists predominantly backed a Latino against a white male in the Republican primaries. I dont think voters are well informed by any means but it seems bizzare to think that they dont care about the economy. Remember when EVERYONE was talking about TPP? Also if you actually listened to any of Trumps speeches and not just the sound bites youd know that NAFTA was a cornerstone of his campaign. His actually campaign, that his voters paid attention to not the charicature that you got from Trevor Noah.
#117
Quote from: Pergamos on December 02, 2016, 12:33:54 AM
I didn't think he was going to win because Clinton is very clearly the establishment candidate.  This means I was either too cynical about how rigged the system is or not cynical enough and the establishment is done with the lube and is strapping on the big spiked dildo.

Im wildly alternating between Trump being the icebergtip of some kind of behind the scenes power struggle within the establishment or just being controlled opposition. Look at his "bumbling transition." Patraeus, Chris Christie. All people who have been driven out of the establishment. But then he sucks up to Goldman Sachs. Very mixed signals. But thats a digression.

Its worth noting here that your problem was you bought the Trump line, by both him and his detractors(which was some of the stupidest PR of this election. "Hey guys neocons love Hillary!") that he is anti-establishment. If you want to understand the next 4/8 years, you need to stop taking Trump at face value. Remember GWBs awww shucks yokel act that everyone fell for as he got everything he wanted? Everyone is about to fall for that again. Hard. I look forward to smug articles about how much of an idiot Trump is well into his second term.
#118
Quote from: MMIX on December 02, 2016, 12:24:00 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 02, 2016, 12:21:59 AM
Quote from: MMIX on December 02, 2016, 12:17:55 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 01, 2016, 11:48:36 PM
[snip] Point still stands. You were all wrong about Trump. Despite being completely wrong none of you are any less smug. Have you ever stopped and thought about why you failed to see Trump coming?

NB This post is in the wrong thread. It should be in the thread entitled
   
QuoteCalling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.

oh, wait, . . . yeah a thread which has been running since August 04, 2015. So, did a majority of the folks around here want there to be a Democrat victory - yes, that's probably true. But you are going so much further than that and claiming that there was spell cast across the forum which blinded everyone from assessing the progress of the electoral process realistically. Calling bullshit on that one. The sad thing is that around here the ability to face up to Awful Truths is painfully high.

I live in hope that people aren't damn stupid enough to take obvious generalizations at completely face value. Also actually go back and look at the thread. The two people I am talking to right now both were in the "Trump is impossible" camp. Nigel was making posts all the way to the end about how Trump was doomed.

Links or it didn't happen. Also this is STILL in the wrong thread

No. Im not digging through a massive thread because you dont remember a massive thread that you posted in constantly until just about a month ago.
#119
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 27, 2016, 11:09:40 PM
Via, reddit, seems relevant:
"Edgy 20 year old starter pack"



This is all accurate. I can confirm.
#120
Quote from: MMIX on December 02, 2016, 12:17:55 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on December 01, 2016, 11:48:36 PM
[snip] Point still stands. You were all wrong about Trump. Despite being completely wrong none of you are any less smug. Have you ever stopped and thought about why you failed to see Trump coming?

NB This post is in the wrong thread. It should be in the thread entitled
   
QuoteCalling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.

oh, wait, . . . yeah a thread which has been running since August 04, 2015. So, did a majority of the folks around here want there to be a Democrat victory - yes, that's probably true. But you are going so much further than that and claiming that there was spell cast across the forum which blinded everyone from assessing the progress of the electoral process realistically. Calling bullshit on that one. The sad thing is that around here the ability to face up to Awful Truths is painfully high.

I live in hope that people aren't damn stupid enough to take obvious generalizations at completely face value. Also actually go back and look at the thread. The two people I am talking to right now both were in the "Trump is impossible" camp. Nigel was making posts all the way to the end about how Trump was doomed.