Before I go through the grueling, depressing, and somewhat Quixote-ian leg work, maybe I should ask.
Does anyone know of a database that tallies all of the awful stuff the cops do, and has a running list of "Bad Apples"?
I'm just thinking it would be handy when someone uses that useless phrase, you can turn around and say, "we're up to 10,000 bad apples, Karen. You think we should start shopping at a different grocery store?"
Obviously, some rounding will need to be done, like "all the cops allowing the use of tear gas in Seattle after being prohibited from doing so" will need more of an estimate.
You want DB to be (contain) index of real/ proper name of each individual Apple?
Because in that case this would not have requested granularity
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ (https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/)
Why bother with apples when the tree itself, from root to trunk to branch, is rotten and diseased?
We can continue to selectively treat the apparent symptoms and that changes nothing.
We can pretend it will heal itself and that is a useless sentiment.
We can uproot the entire rotten mess but no one has the kind of machinery necessary to be remotely effective.
Plus, some other asshole will likely come along with another shitty-ass tree to fill the enormous power void left behind.
The police *physical* violence is simply the most visible violence perpetrated against the public and/or private citizens. The police/court/government *institutional/bureaucratic/legal* malice perpetrated is not as visible. Practically invisible to those not being ground down by the "system." This is what allows the former to exist.
You know, sometimes negligent campers leave a fire unattended and an entire forest burns down. Sometimes its due to dead, dry wood and a lightning strike. Too much? Nah...What is seen as destruction allows for new growth and potential.
Cheers! :)
LMNO pretty clearly said what he wanted it for.
Quote from: LMNO on June 16, 2020, 04:54:52 PMI'm just thinking it would be handy when someone uses that useless phrase, you can turn around and say, "we're up to 10,000 bad apples, Karen.
When I hear someone excuse killer cops as "a few bad apples", I like to ask why they've forgotten that the rest of the saying is "spoil the whole barrel".
Quote from: proword on June 16, 2020, 05:27:14 PM
You want DB to be (contain) index of real/ proper name of each individual Apple?
Because in that case this would not have requested granularity
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ (https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/)
This is helpful, but I was thinking to broaden it from murder to abuse of power, rape in custody, stop and frisk, unconstitutional acts, acts banned by the Geneva convention, etc.
I suspect that it would be a bit too overwhelming to do without a mental health plan in place first.
Quote from: LMNO on June 16, 2020, 07:01:01 PM
Quote from: proword on June 16, 2020, 05:27:14 PM
You want DB to be (contain) index of real/ proper name of each individual Apple?
Because in that case this would not have requested granularity
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/ (https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/)
This is helpful, but I was thinking to broaden it from murder to abuse of power, rape in custody, stop and frisk, unconstitutional acts, acts banned by the Geneva convention, etc.
I suspect that it would be a bit too overwhelming to do without a mental health plan in place first.
Yeah, the exformative thoughts would suck. Bolis of Ketalar and IV drip please.
Also, operations outside purview of their jurisdiction, that would get the numbers up.
The Cato Institute used to have The National Police Misconduct Reporting Project, which covered a wide range of topics. They had to shut it down in 2017 due to a lack of funding, unfortunately, but the datasets might still exist, somewhere.
Quote from: Cain on June 16, 2020, 07:23:21 PM
The Cato Institute used to have The National Police Misconduct Reporting Project, which covered a wide range of topics. They had to shut it down in 2017 due to a lack of funding, unfortunately, but the datasets might still exist, somewhere.
Thanks for the tip!
For one, they used to have the "Puppycide Index", the number of pets shot by SWAT police for no good reason.
Quote from: Cain on June 16, 2020, 07:30:53 PM
For one, they used to have the "Puppycide Index", the number of pets shot by SWAT police for no good reason.
Oh, that's a good one.
I mean, it's terrible, but it's one hell of an underscoring of, "you think these are the
good guys?"
Quote from: LMNO on June 16, 2020, 04:54:52 PM
Before I go through the grueling, depressing, and somewhat Quixote-ian leg work, maybe I should ask.
Does anyone know of a database that tallies all of the awful stuff the cops do, and has a running list of "Bad Apples"?
I'm just thinking it would be handy when someone uses that useless phrase, you can turn around and say, "we're up to 10,000 bad apples, Karen. You think we should start shopping at a different grocery store?"
Obviously, some rounding will need to be done, like "all the cops allowing the use of tear gas in Seattle after being prohibited from doing so" will need more of an estimate.
I see that some people have offered resources.
You won't find anything from the FBI, though. IIRC, they aren't permitted to track it.
Quote from: Cain on June 16, 2020, 07:30:53 PM
For one, they used to have the "Puppycide Index", the number of pets shot by SWAT police for no good reason.
THIS IS MY UNITED STATES OF
WHATEVER.
Quote from: Cain on June 16, 2020, 07:23:21 PM
The Cato Institute used to have The National Police Misconduct Reporting Project, which covered a wide range of topics. They had to shut it down in 2017 due to a lack of funding, unfortunately, but the datasets might still exist, somewhere.
https://www.cato.org/blog/new-report-police-misconduct
May be a good resource.
If it wasn't already, let's add civil conspiracy and collusion to the list, as well. Prosecutors, judges, justices, peripheral LE Agencies, those kind officer folks in command of the ship, working together to enforce acts and statutes. Man, that's going to be a lot of rotten fruit. But there is hope in the Age of Organics Recycling en Masse!
We have the science. We have the technology.
Quote from: DrStrangechao on June 16, 2020, 09:46:18 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 16, 2020, 07:23:21 PM
The Cato Institute used to have The National Police Misconduct Reporting Project, which covered a wide range of topics. They had to shut it down in 2017 due to a lack of funding, unfortunately, but the datasets might still exist, somewhere.
https://www.cato.org/blog/new-report-police-misconduct
May be a good resource.
If it wasn't already, let's add civil conspiracy and collusion to the list, as well. Prosecutors, judges, justices, peripheral LE Agencies, those kind officer folks in command of the ship, working together to enforce acts and statutes. Man, that's going to be a lot of rotten fruit. But there is hope in the Age of Organics Recycling en Masse!
We have the science. We have the technology.
I'm smelling a Poe. Is anyone else smelling a Poe?
Allergies fucking with my nose, but if I had to guess: semi-retired legal dude with a few OP's that worked out both domestically and not; proud of having been involved in civil liberties cases before. Maybe an actual cool dude. Then again, I am admittedly naive.
Here's the prick.
https://apnews.com/870f32a425b41ce391f84e1625439ebe
Blue Leaks Archive
https://hunter.ddosecrets.com/datasets/102
A friend explained it thusly:
Quoteit's a massive database of leaked & archived data from 200+ law enforcement agencies and departments compiled by activists. 269 gigs of files, sortable *by badge number.* There's so much here. It's gonna take weeks to digest.
One of many revelations I want to share with you all that's kind of important to at least know about is this: Google has been sharing their user data directly with U.S. law enforcement, including but not limited to account names, email addresses, IP addresses, login attempts, YouTube comments, Google Wallet contents, names, physical addresses, and phone numbers.
Damn. Sortable by badge number is, in and of itself, a huge win.
Damn is right.
Also, fuck Google.
Quote from: Cain on June 21, 2020, 03:17:24 PM
Damn. Sortable by badge number is, in and of itself, a huge win.
Hey, if they have nothing to hide....
Police unions are going to go absolutely spare.
In Chicago the other day, police blocked protestors from moving down a street... so a protestor with a megaphone began looking up the officers in that database and announcing the number of complaints made about them.
Many of the cops just walked away.
https://twitter.com/tylerlariviere/status/1275615330442842112
That's beautiful. The weaponization of information against the state and its agents is probably something you could say something Discordian about, but I'm in Functional Brain, not Deranged Prophet Brain.
Quote from: Cramulus on June 25, 2020, 08:08:37 PM
In Chicago the other day, police blocked protestors from moving down a street... so a protestor with a megaphone began looking up the officers in that database and announcing the number of complaints made about them.
Many of the cops just walked away.
https://twitter.com/tylerlariviere/status/1275615330442842112
I saw that, it was wondrous.
Oh, that's awesome :lol:
Simply glorious.
Works so well. Commend those with none. Shame them for standing next to their known bad apples. No one gets 46 fucking complaints and is not known to all their Co workers as a bit of shit. Any industry.
Add in a people's protection movement dealio and there's so much possible fun here.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 25, 2020, 10:08:17 PM
Works so well. Commend those with none. Shame them for standing next to their known bad apples. No one gets 46 fucking complaints and is not known to all their Co workers as a bit of shit. Any industry.
Can confirm.
Hamish,
Loathed by everyone else in the industry.