http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Muchao-J-Moocow-KSC/e/B00HGRMDJG/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1
This guy, who calls himself Dr Muchao J Moocow KSC, (no relation to Prince Mu Chao) is rounding up all the kopyleft discordiana on the net and compiling them into omnibuses. A lot of the original works are kopyleft or have no explicit license (like the Om Nom Nomicon, or the postergasm collections). Fine. No problem there.
But he's selling (for profit) some material which is definitely not his, and does not have permission to sell - including the Chao Te Ching, posts from Iason's blog, The Etc. Discordia, Hey Jim, Intermittens, the Wise book of Baloney, and the Himeobs training manual.
I've sent a number of e-mails on this subject already, but I wanted to alert you guys to it. It fucking breaks my heart -- because for the most part I would rather have a fork in my eye than get in a legal copyright throw down over some stupid stuff I posted to the net which wasn't generating revenue anyway. But god damn it, it's definitely not cool to ignore a license because you don't understand the difference between "kopyleft", creative commons, and public domain.
http://www.amazon.com/Discordian-Omnibus-Five-Rapid-Relief/dp/1494749637/ref=la_B00HGRMDJG_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389377302&sr=1-3#reader_1494749637
*sigh*
Oh, that motherfucker.
I'm gonna see what I can do, but I can't WAIT until Roger sees this, as "Hey Jim" was sprouted, and enhanced, by his writing, and he's NEVER acknowledged Kopyleft.
Cram, thanks for bringing this up-- if you feel weird about being part of the coming shitstorm, I'll understand if you want to stay in the shadows.
As I've said on IRC, I'd rather not have to legally prove I'm the writer and owner of the copyright to the HIMEOBS training manual if avoidable...but if I have to in order to get some fuckwit to stop selling it (especially when it's not even a Discordian text), then, well, that's what I have to do.
I ultimately decided not to print any copies of the Wise Book of Baloney, because I wouldn't have felt right about collecting profit from other people's work... I guess Moocow has no such compunctions. Having said that, I wasn't fully aware kopyleft DIDN'T mean someone could just print it out and sell it...
Strictly speaking, it's not. If you go by Richard Stallman etc, the idea was the work could be used so long as the original conditions under which that work was licenced were preserved. Thus, a free copyleft work could be used in another free work, and so on.
Of course, no doubt Dr Lovesh-, uh, Muchao J Moocow KSC would consider such a distinction greyfaced and aneristic, or something.
That's a bingo.
I also like how he words it so that it seems like he spent years painstakingly collecting all these texts, and that's the implied justification for him making some coin from it... rather than admitting he cleaned through the 23AoE archives in about ten minutes.
It seems like they were ripped directly from this archive (https://nmrk2359.wix.com/dolmmm#!links_to_books/c23m4). So not even the 23AoE Archives, it was even more lazy.
I found Moocow's product on Amazon very helpful. I hope my review (http://www.amazon.com/review/R16H0MJ6L30F5G/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1494749637&linkCode=&nodeID=&tag=) helps other people find the same enlightenment in his book that I found.
:lulz: :mittens:
Is there a link to report this to Amazon/the (ahem) Doctor himself?
To establish a credible trail of doing things above board before resorting to whatever means are needed, of course.
I just flipped through the Wise Book of Baloney; turns out there is no kopyleft notice on it anywhere...
And looky what is typed out at the bottom of the back of each volume (and on each page inside too, for good measure):
(http://imageshack.com/a/img593/4462/4zj8.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/reports/infringement
You can report copyright infringements on Amazon at the above link
Quote from: Hoopla on January 10, 2014, 07:12:37 PM
And looky what is typed out at the bottom of the back of each volume (and on each page inside too, for good measure):
to be fair I think that's actually part of the amazon preview view -- I don't think it's actually stamped on the PDF, it's automatically displayed whenever you preview something on amazon. I might be wrong though.
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2014, 07:23:24 PM
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/reports/infringement
You can report copyright infringements on Amazon at the above link
thank you! I was looking for that
Quote from: Cramulus on January 10, 2014, 07:26:16 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 10, 2014, 07:12:37 PM
And looky what is typed out at the bottom of the back of each volume (and on each page inside too, for good measure):
to be fair I think that's actually part of the amazon preview view -- I don't think it's actually stamped on the PDF, it's automatically displayed whenever you preview something on amazon. I might be wrong though.
Ah ok... getting myself al riled up over here. It's been a slow day.
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2014, 07:23:24 PM
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/reports/infringement
You can report copyright infringements on Amazon at the above link
Submitted, with references to the possibility that the other volumes contain similar problems.
just submitted complaints against these ---
1494759500: An Discordian Omnibus: Volume Eight: Endless Earlobes! (Volume 8)
149476699X: An Discordian Omnibus: Volume Eleven: Copious Catma! (Volume 11)
1494749637: An Discordian Omnibus: Volume Five: Rapid Relief! (Volume 5)
149474922X: An Discordian Omnibus: Volume Four: Suffering Suckas! (Volume 4)
1494748851: An Discordian Omnibus: Volume Two: Wiggly Womps! (Volume 2)
1494774143: An Discordian Omnibus: Volume Thirteen: Google Gobble! (Volume 13)
Can I just vent for a second about how much this pisses me off? Like, if he had asked me to print some of this stuff I would have had no problem with it. I believe that if you want an idea to get out there into the world, sometimes you gotta cut it loose and let the chips fall where they may. And with stuff like my fractal cult pamphlet, I don't care that he printed it. I want people to see it, and getting all fancy grabass about who can repost it is counterproductive.
But a lot of the stuff I've worked on, like Intermittens, the etc. discordia, contains copyrighted material, or was licensed in a way we all agreed to. Most of this stuff has an explicit "CREATIVE COMMONS +ATTRIB +SHARE ALIKE +NO PROFIT" license which this guy has straight up ignored. If he were just posting it to a website for anybody to read, that would have been fine. But he's selling this stuff (in the case of the Etc. Discordia, he's selling it cheaper than I'm selling it).
It says it right in the forward to the Incarnates Discordia: "[The Author] intends to use any royalties from the sales of this Omnibus Collection to fund further Discordian Activities."
"Cheetos" are a legitimate Discordian activity though.
http://www.lulu.com/shop/dr-muchao-j-moocow-ksc/incarnates-discordia/ebook/product-21392255.html
Here's a "book" he "wrote" which lists all the human forms that Eris has taken. It's skeevy. Oh my god this is so disgusting.
On page 20, he links to a model on modelmayhem.com who goes by the handle of Eris Discordia. He lists her name as Eris Dis
Whoredia. (bolding is his) He just copies and pastes her profile info, including her e-mail address. He ends that entry with the line "If you want to get your wank on, she can be found at:
<link removed>".
SO NOT COOL.
The next page (p21) is about, guess who, MILEY SPEARS.
QuoteMiley Spears MAY BE a fictional character. MAYBE! But, she does have her own website, and has generated a bit of controversy.
Then on the next page, he copies and pastes the content from this thread (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=33705.110;wap2). Which is people accusing Spears of being Uncle BadTouch. And drama about the Chasing Eris project. He literally just copied and pasted this shit, and didn't format it in any way.
like this
QuotePhox: --- Quote from: CAKE on November 15, 2012, 10:59:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: Placid Dingo on November 15, 2012, 10:50:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: CAKE on November 15, 2012, 10:05:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 15, 2012, 08:38:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Hoopla on November 15, 2012, 08:34:25 pm ---Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, I should point out that Uncle BadTouch does try to intertwine his beliefs with Discordianism, they aren't simply "surplus opinions a discordian has". So, there might be merit in his being interviewed with everyone else, out of a sense of completeness. If I were to watch a documentary, or read a book, on Christianity I would want to now about Fred Phelps too. There, I said it... Uncle BadTouch, the Fred Phelps of Discordia. --- End quote --- I have no objection to him being interviewed. I simply won't be involved. At all. --- End quote ---
*sigh*
From the Afterword:
QuoteWhen I started compiling An Discordian Omnibus, I knew that I would feel compelled to create my own individual Holy Books to fill spaces, give myself more street cred, and further etch my holy name into the walls of Divine Chaos Worship, and I'm glad that this is what I have to offer.
He "wrote" this book to give himself "street cred". I want to throw up.
Next time wossname brings up why we didn't want to be associated with this assbag in the same book, we should just cut and paste to this thread.
Quote from: Cramulus on January 10, 2014, 08:07:38 PM
He "wrote" this book to give himself "street cred".
Sure sounds like Uncle BadTouch to me. And I'm happy I'm at least quoted as referring to him as the Fred Phelps of Discordia.
Whoever they are, Cram has found them on Reddit. Maybe we can shame them into taking the books down.
Shit. I was trying to avoid signing up for Reddit as long as possible.
Another mark against douche bonnet.
He started this Ask Me Anything about seven hours ago and hasn't been back since.
http://www.reddit.com/r/tellusofyourgods/comments/1uvlxt/i_am_a_discordian_pope_polyfather_of/
He must have tossed this together fairly recently, since Nigel is referred to as "Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks". Which I believe she only adopted a couple weeks ago.
Am I seeing this right, or is he charging upwards of $20 for each volume!?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 10, 2014, 08:28:13 PM
Am I seeing this right, or is he charging upwards of $20 for each volume!?
He sure is.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 10, 2014, 08:25:33 PM
He must have tossed this together fairly recently, since Nigel is referred to as "Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks". Which I believe she only adopted a couple weeks ago.
He did. This stuff has been on sale only since towards the end of December
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2014, 08:19:27 PM
Whoever they are, Cram has found them on Reddit. Maybe we can shame them into taking the books down.
link?
Quote from: Hoopla on January 10, 2014, 08:35:46 PM
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2014, 08:19:27 PM
Whoever they are, Cram has found them on Reddit. Maybe we can shame them into taking the books down.
link?
Quote from: Cramulus on January 10, 2014, 08:21:56 PM
He started this Ask Me Anything about seven hours ago and hasn't been back since.
http://www.reddit.com/r/tellusofyourgods/comments/1uvlxt/i_am_a_discordian_pope_polyfather_of/
Thanks. Should this thread be moved to OM? I suspect the author in question will be monitoring for reactions to use in upcoming books.
I think it's better he knows. Secrecy is of no benefit here...EVERYONE should be able to know, from simply Googling his name, that he's a thief and something of a sicko as well.
And with PD's pagerank, that process is well underway.
Quote from: Cain on January 10, 2014, 08:46:34 PM
I think it's better he knows. Secrecy is of no benefit here...EVERYONE should be able to know, from simply Googling his name, that he's a thief and something of a sicko as well.
And with PD's pagerank, that process is well underway.
Good point.
Here's the page for claiming copyright infringement on Amazon : http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201140760
Well shit. Dirty cabbage.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 10, 2014, 07:06:34 PM
I just flipped through the Wise Book of Baloney; turns out there is no kopyleft notice on it anywhere...
Yeah, but fun fact; you don't HAVE to declare copyright. It exists by virtue of your work existing. It is not that it is uncopyrighted unless declared copyrighted; it is copyrighted unless declared otherwise, from the moment it came into being. The legally tricky part is (or at least, can be) proving that it came into being at your hand, or the hand of whoever authored each piece of content.
Yeah, that's why it's best everyone whose work this is put in their claims. A combined number of complaints should make something stick.
I complained.
Amazon must have this guy's real name and contact info. Hopefully they will respond to the claims of copyright infringement with it, but if not I'm sure my lawyer knows how to get it.
ah well if there was any doubt ... http://discordianomnibus.wordpress.com/23volumes/
QuoteBooks that will NOT be included in this Omnibus Collection are those created under a Copyright (SHAME ON YOU), those that aren't available free online (Double Shame), and those that are called Ek-sen-trik-kuh Discordia. (For obvious reasons).
"For obvious reasons".
That's pretty funny - Uncle BadTouch does not give
his PDF away for free, but is happy to sell
other people's PDFs. Right now his book is listed on amazon for $200. I wonder if that "shame on you!" applies to himself.
Quote from: Cramulus on January 10, 2014, 10:35:41 PM
ah well if there was any doubt ... http://discordianomnibus.wordpress.com/23volumes/
QuoteBooks that will NOT be included in this Omnibus Collection are those created under a Copyright (SHAME ON YOU), those that aren't available free online (Double Shame), and those that are called Ek-sen-trik-kuh Discordia. (For obvious reasons).
"For obvious reasons".
That's pretty funny - Uncle BadTouch does not give his PDF away for free, but is happy to sell other people's PDFs. Right now his book is listed on amazon for $200. I wonder if that "shame on you!" applies to himself.
Looks like that wordpress has been deleted, as of right now.
he just deleted his reddit account too. Fucking coward.
Yup, can confirm it's deleted. BUSTED.
You know what's pathetic? If he had ANY talent whatsoever, or at least any self-discipline, this guy could sit down himself and write a collection of thoughts, stories, koans and essays, and publish them under his own name. He could be what he so desperately is trying to coattail on the work of others to become; a "name" in Discordian thinking. But he apparently has neither the discipline nor the talent, nor any scruples or common sense, because instead he keeps pulling bullshit like this, where he steals other people's work and tries to sell it for a profit, or tries to otherwise get his name somehow shoehorned onto other people's projects. It's outright pitiful.
Quote from: Cramulus on January 10, 2014, 10:39:32 PM
he just deleted his reddit account too. Fucking coward.
He's a coward and a thief, and he's also desperately uncreative, yet driven by a notion of "being somebody".
Quote from: Cramulus on January 10, 2014, 10:39:32 PM
he just deleted his reddit account too. Fucking coward.
I've thrown up your information on the reddit thread which links him to the Uncle BadTouch family.
If this is Uncle BadTouch, and I'm almost convinced of that now, I want this albatross to hang around his neck for
all time.
and the omnibuses are being "unpublished"
Quote from: Cramulus on January 10, 2014, 10:46:13 PM
and the omnibuses are being "unpublished"
That's almost too bad, as I forwarded the link to my lawyer and am awaiting reply. It would have been much more fun to nail this loser to the wall by his feet.
Cain, I tried to reply to your PM but it's blocked, I'll resend if you unblock me. :)
Sorry about that, my profile had somehow been set so only admins could PM me. I've changed it now.
OK, here's the deal, guys. My lawyer would like for each of us to identify which pieces of ours are in which volume, and what its copyright status is. Even if he takes them all down, we should do this if we can. He will send a cease and desist, pro bono, and will include everyone who wants to participate. This way, if he ever pops up with a stunt like this in the future, which means that we can move directly to filing a claim without going through the cease-and-desist rigamarole. With any luck, it will simply deter him from trying.
You can PM me and I'll forward it to him, if you want the letter to represent your work.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 10, 2014, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 10, 2014, 07:06:34 PM
I just flipped through the Wise Book of Baloney; turns out there is no kopyleft notice on it anywhere...
Yeah, but fun fact; you don't HAVE to declare copyright. It exists by virtue of your work existing. It is not that it is uncopyrighted unless declared copyrighted; it is copyrighted unless declared otherwise, from the moment it came into being. The legally tricky part is (or at least, can be) proving that it came into being at your hand, or the hand of whoever authored each piece of content.
I meant that I hadn't even explicitly said The Wise Book of Baloney
could be shared.
achht, I'm leaving for vacation in like 10 minutes so I don't have time to round that up. The only ones I care about personally are the Etc. Discordia and the Chao Te Ching, because both of them are published CC share alike, attribution, no profit. Note that you and Cain have some pieces in the Etc. Discordia which have their own separate license too.
I don't care about protecting the fractal cult pamphlet, main way monastery pamphlet, postergasm collection, om nom nomicon (which I didn't even kopyleft because it is itself a rip off), & modern mythological creatures (which technically belongs to all of us). And I think I have some other stuff in there, but I really only care about the Etc. Discordia and the Chao Te Ching since those were both humongous efforts to publish and contain lots of people's work.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 10, 2014, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 10, 2014, 07:06:34 PM
I just flipped through the Wise Book of Baloney; turns out there is no kopyleft notice on it anywhere...
Yeah, but fun fact; you don't HAVE to declare copyright. It exists by virtue of your work existing. It is not that it is uncopyrighted unless declared copyrighted; it is copyrighted unless declared otherwise, from the moment it came into being. The legally tricky part is (or at least, can be) proving that it came into being at your hand, or the hand of whoever authored each piece of content.
Also, I think I could prove I was Hoopla if need be. I have videos linking my face to that name which date back to at least 09. Might be earlier.
Quote from: Cramulus on January 10, 2014, 10:39:32 PM
he just deleted his reddit account too. Fucking coward.
Wow.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 10, 2014, 11:10:29 PM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 10, 2014, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 10, 2014, 07:06:34 PM
I just flipped through the Wise Book of Baloney; turns out there is no kopyleft notice on it anywhere...
Yeah, but fun fact; you don't HAVE to declare copyright. It exists by virtue of your work existing. It is not that it is uncopyrighted unless declared copyrighted; it is copyrighted unless declared otherwise, from the moment it came into being. The legally tricky part is (or at least, can be) proving that it came into being at your hand, or the hand of whoever authored each piece of content.
I meant that I hadn't even explicitly said The Wise Book of Baloney could be shared.
Ah. Well then, yes, he's a thieving crapweasel.
Quote from: Cramulus on January 10, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
achht, I'm leaving for vacation in like 10 minutes so I don't have time to round that up. The only ones I care about personally are the Etc. Discordia and the Chao Te Ching, because both of them are published CC share alike, attribution, no profit. Note that you and Cain have some pieces in the Etc. Discordia which have their own separate license too.
I don't care about protecting the fractal cult pamphlet, main way monastery pamphlet, postergasm collection, om nom nomicon (which I didn't even kopyleft because it is itself a rip off), & modern mythological creatures (which technically belongs to all of us). And I think I have some other stuff in there, but I really only care about the Etc. Discordia and the Chao Te Ching since those were both humongous efforts to publish and contain lots of people's work.
No hurry, FYI. But if you want to PM me the names of the pieces you're concerned about, the volumes they appear in, the name they're published under, and your legal name (I mean, I know all this but I need your own words for it to be legit) I will pass it on to him.
It's fine if it takes weeks to get the cease & desist info together, it's seriously no rush.
I'm pissed about 101 ways to make someone's day weirder, because that was a collaboration between all of us and it was FUN and it shouldn't be making some stealing shitbean a profit.
UPDATE: Don't worry about getting all the details/data together unless you want it for your own records, just PM me your real names if you want him to slap them on the letter, and he'll sort out details later if it's needed, which it probably won't be.
Or if you'd rather I not have your real name, PM me and I'll PM you his email addy so you can email him directly.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 10, 2014, 06:16:31 PM
Oh, that motherfucker.
I'm gonna see what I can do, but I can't WAIT until Roger sees this, as "Hey Jim" was sprouted, and enhanced, by his writing, and he's NEVER acknowledged Kopyleft.
There will be tears.
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 10, 2014, 11:29:44 PM
UPDATE: Don't worry about getting all the details/data together unless you want it for your own records, just PM me your real names if you want him to slap them on the letter, and he'll sort out details later if it's needed, which it probably won't be.
You've got mine.
This is Uncle BadTouch. He's going to pay.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 11, 2014, 02:58:19 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 10, 2014, 11:29:44 PM
UPDATE: Don't worry about getting all the details/data together unless you want it for your own records, just PM me your real names if you want him to slap them on the letter, and he'll sort out details later if it's needed, which it probably won't be.
You've got mine.
This is Uncle BadTouch. He's going to pay.
He should.
Shame on the people who claim copyright but totally ok with selling others' intellectual property with no permission and no profit to them?
Yeah. Shame on them.
Uncle BadTouch just can't fucking learn a lesson, can he?
As the other co-whatever of the CTC, I'll give that info. The Hey Jim stuff is also important to me, but at a later date, when I finally finish the song cycle.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on January 11, 2014, 02:58:19 AM
Quote from: Nigel's Red Velveteen Skinmeat Snacks on January 10, 2014, 11:29:44 PM
UPDATE: Don't worry about getting all the details/data together unless you want it for your own records, just PM me your real names if you want him to slap them on the letter, and he'll sort out details later if it's needed, which it probably won't be.
You've got mine.
This is Uncle BadTouch. He's going to pay.
Yep.
If you know his legal name, please PM me. Otherwise my lawyer will likely go after "Arden Uncle BadTouch" or else will pursue the legal ID behind the account on Amazon.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 11, 2014, 04:50:17 AM
As the other co-whatever of the CTC, I'll give that info. The Hey Jim stuff is also important to me, but at a later date, when I finally finish the song cycle.
PM me the legal name you want on the letter, just so I'm not just guessing from the real name I know you by. Right now, this is JUST a letter, not any other kind of legal action.
We ALL have built in legal rights that are natural and inalienable, regarding our creative works. "MuChao" is simply making the mistake of assuming that we don't have the organization or wherewithal to defend it.
How likely did this happen to show what Grayfaces pd.com Discordians are?
Or is this asshole so deluded he thought he could get away with it?
:lulz:
Quote from: Alty on January 12, 2014, 04:18:51 AM
How likely did this happen to show what Grayfaces pd.com Discordians are?
Very possible. But if he wants to play that game, well, we have the perfect counter. Namely, he was the guy who did this:
Quote from: Cramulusn the Incarnates Discordia, you published somebody's model mayhem profile, including her e-mail address... While her profile name is Eris Discordia, you listed her name as "Eris DisWhoreDia" (emphasis yours).
You ended the article with the line "If you want to get your wank on, she can be found at: <link removed>"
What the fuck dude? Why would you think this is cool?
If he wants to play games, well, we just need to plaster that around on Twitter, Facebook and Tumblr, and let the internet lynch mob do the rest.
I can help with the Tumblr Rage thing. and post it to alll the feminist FB groups.