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Principia Discordia => Principia Discussion => Topic started by: Cramulus on December 23, 2011, 04:35:16 PM

Title: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Cramulus on December 23, 2011, 04:35:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UPZk7.jpg)

The Chao Te Ching is a meditation on the Sacred Chao, a yin-yangish symbol which represents everything worth knowing, and also a lot of stuff not worth knowing. In 81 brief chapters which parallel the Tao Te Ching, this modern Discordian text synthesizes ancient Taoism and irreligious Zenarchy. This manual teaches how to discover your inner spag, the silly fool who, through laughter, is neither confined by apparent order or bewildered by apparent disorder.

The Chao Te Ching is a local production. LMNO and I put it together, and we had submissions/advice from Burns, Cain, Faust, Honey, Hoopla, Kai, Lies, Ratatosk, Requia, Roaring Biscuit, Telarus, and Triple Zero.


Buy the paperback for under ten bucks here: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/the-chao-te-ching/18759432

Read or Download the whole PDF for free here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/34652650/Chao-te-Ching

(http://i.imgur.com/3T3zm.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/i7HUX.jpg)
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on December 23, 2011, 04:38:35 PM
To clarify: Cram and I wrote a good chunk of it, and then we also edited the hell out of other people's submissions.  Those people are given credit in the Acknowledgements section.



EDIT:  IT'S FRIGGIN' AWESOME.  TO HOLD THIS.  IN MY HANDS. 
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: AFK on December 23, 2011, 04:40:14 PM
Well :mittens: to everyone involved.  It looks cool.  I'll have to get me one. 

Love that cow/chao pic. 
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on December 23, 2011, 04:45:53 PM
Might get two. One for lending in case i never get it back.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on December 23, 2011, 04:46:43 PM
I'm gonna get like, ten.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Triple Zero on December 23, 2011, 05:34:49 PM
Oh WOW!

I did try and have a go at designing a cover image for you guys (since that was what seemed to hold it back), but it didn't end up very well (or anywhere, even), but that picture you got now was EXACTLY what I was trying to go for when I made my half-assed attempt!!

I definitely need to buy some of these.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Cramulus on December 23, 2011, 05:35:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/sB9ns.jpg)

The Chao Te Ching is Kopyleft - all rites reversed.

If you use the text to make any art, etc, please post it here! http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=28358.0
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Telarus on December 23, 2011, 05:43:25 PM
BEAUTIFUL!
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 23, 2011, 07:20:05 PM
AWESOME!
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Don Coyote on December 23, 2011, 07:36:07 PM
SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: EK WAFFLR on December 23, 2011, 08:28:11 PM
Fuckin'A!
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Kai on December 23, 2011, 10:00:45 PM
I love the layout and the minimalist style. I may have to buy a copy or three. Thumbs up, guys, you outdid yourselves.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Placid Dingo on December 23, 2011, 11:11:38 PM
How did you end up getting that cover?
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Cramulus on December 23, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
I live with a photoshop wizard. He used his spear and magic tablet.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Phox on December 24, 2011, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 23, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
I live with a photoshop wizard. He used his spear and magic tablet.
Spear and magic tablet?
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Pæs on December 24, 2011, 12:25:45 AM
WANT.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Cramulus on December 24, 2011, 01:03:45 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 24, 2011, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 23, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
I live with a photoshop wizard. He used his spear and magic tablet.
Spear and magic tablet?

like this:

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlZufOyIuowpWA9vKo7HfTJx5cGlebD6RFZ0Em6xFr6T3o63MxmPH7a4rdgA)

except in his left hand, there's a wacom tablet
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Pæs on December 24, 2011, 01:07:40 AM
And you have to kind of sing it.

He-used-his-spear-and-magic TAAAAA-blet.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Pæs on December 24, 2011, 01:30:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 24, 2011, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 23, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
I live with a photoshop wizard. He used his spear and magic tablet.
Spear and magic tablet?
On second thought, I think Phox got it and was continuing the song.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Don Coyote on December 24, 2011, 04:45:16 AM
IT IS NOW STUCK IN MY HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://youtu.be/C2VMqQ6XnmI
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Phox on December 24, 2011, 04:57:51 AM
Quote from: Beardman Meow on December 24, 2011, 01:30:59 AM
Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 24, 2011, 12:20:52 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on December 23, 2011, 11:33:39 PM
I live with a photoshop wizard. He used his spear and magic tablet.
Spear and magic tablet?
On second thought, I think Phox got it and was continuing the song.
That is correct.  :lol:

Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Cramulus on December 30, 2011, 08:50:03 PM
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/CTCSig.png) (https://chaoteching.wordpress.com/)

We've got a blog now

Check by on Tuesdays and Thursdays for another chapter from the Chao Te Ching

http://chaoteching.wordpress.com/
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Telarus on December 30, 2011, 08:56:37 PM
Nice. Posted to G+, tweeted.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: deadfong on December 31, 2011, 03:50:26 PM
Just wanted to say that this was really fantastic.  I definitely want a print edition for my shelf, but it will have to wait until I'm no longer in the middle of nowhere (a.k.a. my father's house).
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on January 24, 2012, 06:32:53 PM
So, I've started pimping this on my FB. Next thing I know, my MOM is commenting, "I'm glad to know I have an inner spag. Somewhere."

Which is WAY COOL.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Triple Zero on January 24, 2012, 11:49:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 24, 2012, 06:32:53 PM
So, I've started pimping this on my FB. Next thing I know, my MOM is commenting, "I'm glad to know I have an inner spag. Somewhere."

Which is WAY COOL.

:mittens:

(and of course, your mother carried around an inner spag for 9 months!)
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Scribbly on January 25, 2012, 08:33:40 AM
Fun Fact: 4 copies of the Chao Te Ching cost £23.12.

Shipping is £14.49 if you want a guarantee you'll get it. SUSPICIOUSLY avoiding any overt 5s.

Coincidence? You decide.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Don Coyote on January 25, 2012, 08:49:42 AM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 25, 2012, 08:33:40 AM
Fun Fact: 4 copies of the Chao Te Ching cost £23.12.

Shipping is £14.49 if you want a guarantee you'll get it. SUSPICIOUSLY avoiding any overt 5s.

Coincidence? You decide.

2+3+1+2=8

1+4+4+9=9

Coincidence?
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Scribbly on January 25, 2012, 08:51:30 AM
Quote from: Don Coyote on January 25, 2012, 08:49:42 AM
Quote from: Demolition_Squid on January 25, 2012, 08:33:40 AM
Fun Fact: 4 copies of the Chao Te Ching cost £23.12.

Shipping is £14.49 if you want a guarantee you'll get it. SUSPICIOUSLY avoiding any overt 5s.

Coincidence? You decide.

2+3+1+2=8

1+4+4+9=9

Coincidence?

You decide.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on January 25, 2012, 01:25:03 PM
TELL ME WHAT TO DECIDE!
        \
:mind ray:
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Cramulus on February 16, 2012, 02:38:47 PM
BOOK SALE

Purchase Et Cetera Discordia (http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/et-cetera-discordia/14326592), Chao Te Ching (http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/the-chao-te-ching/18759432), or any other lulu title with 30% off with coupon code FEBRUARYCART305GBP

This coupon expires on FEB 19th so GET ON IT
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on February 16, 2012, 02:42:11 PM
Feel free to put that on the FB page, as well!
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 03:44:12 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on February 16, 2012, 02:38:47 PM
BOOK SALE

Purchase Et Cetera Discordia (http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/et-cetera-discordia/14326592), Chao Te Ching (http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/the-chao-te-ching/18759432), or any other lulu title with 30% off with coupon code FEBRUARYCART305GBP

This coupon expires on FEB 19th so GET ON IT

I have infected my gamestore with Discordianism.  Hat wants to sell some hardcopies on consignment.  Is this something we're interested in doing?  If so, let's talk turkey.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on February 16, 2012, 04:58:44 PM
Since it's print on demand, I think the best way to do it is order a bunch of copies, give it to him for consignment, and feel free to pocket whatever sells. 

I'm pretty sure I'm not thinking this all the way through... Cram, do you get a discount by being the publisher, and could we supply books for consignment cheaper than cost?
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 05:00:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 16, 2012, 04:58:44 PM
Since it's print on demand, I think the best way to do it is order a bunch of copies, give it to him for consignment, and feel free to pocket whatever sells. 

I'm pretty sure I'm not thinking this all the way through... Cram, do you get a discount by being the publisher, and could we supply books for consignment cheaper than cost?

Usually you just break even on consignment sales.  Thing is, if people BUY it, they'll READ it.  If they download it for free, it goes in the stack and is never seen again.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on February 16, 2012, 05:19:48 PM
Basically, the way I feel about it is if you pay Lulu for the books to be made and delivered to you, then you can keep whatever sells in the bookshop.  I mean, we could make a convoluted deal where I buy the books, have them shipped to you, and then you send me a check when they sell, but that sounds needlessly complicated.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 05:23:53 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 16, 2012, 05:19:48 PM
Basically, the way I feel about it is if you pay Lulu for the books to be made and delivered to you, then you can keep whatever sells in the bookshop.  I mean, we could make a convoluted deal where I buy the books, have them shipped to you, and then you send me a check when they sell, but that sounds needlessly complicated.

Also, I'm debating the idea of making a bound volume of the existing works.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Cramulus on February 16, 2012, 06:35:05 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 16, 2012, 04:58:44 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm not thinking this all the way through... Cram, do you get a discount by being the publisher, and could we supply books for consignment cheaper than cost?

yeah, as the authors, we can order books at-cost. (well... kinda. Lulu makes a buck whether or not we do) If we wanted to sell 'em in bulk, we'd add Roger's address to one of our lulu profiles as if it's one of ours. Then we can buy as many copies as we'd like and they'll be shipped to Roger.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on February 16, 2012, 06:42:45 PM
Well Roger, it's up to you.  You can either send us money to buy the books and ship them to you at a cheaper price, or you can buy them yourself and keep the cash.

If Cram's ok with the deal, of course.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: Cramulus on February 16, 2012, 06:44:09 PM
cool by me!
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2012, 07:50:01 PM
Actually, if there's a Lulu account available, I may see if Hat can order directly...Or order from you guys.

The minimum gross margin on something like this should be about .4 over the cost of publishing.  Split that margin with hat 50/50 (with him buying them up front), and I think he'd fall all over himself to get involved in this.

I'll talk with him.

Incidentally, gross margin is calculated as

cost of publishing/1-gross margin.

So if the book cost you $10 to print, the margin would be 10/1-.4 for $16.66, meaning you and he would each get $3.33/book.

Shipping should be considered part of the cost of publishing, since there is no distributor network.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on February 16, 2012, 08:22:31 PM
Truth be told, in my mind if he bought straight from Lulu, he can charge whatever he thinks he can get off 'em.  They're 8.95 from the site, but shipping (and Lulu's cut) can be kinda stupid.

Incidentally, the url for the book is http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/the-chao-te-ching/18759432
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LHX on February 20, 2012, 03:58:58 AM
oh man - this is dope as hell -
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on February 21, 2012, 01:54:03 PM
Quote from: LHX on February 20, 2012, 03:58:58 AM
oh man - this is dope as hell -

Hey!  Good to see you back!
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on March 18, 2012, 03:05:31 AM
Mine arrived today!

No more than 5 minutes after getting the packaging removed an interested party picked it up and read the cover and intro.

I retrieved it from the heathen and absconded, letting him know he could borrow it later.

I got all the way to chapter 18 before I was finished damaging the toilet.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on July 27, 2012, 03:33:45 AM
Another friend of mine is really digging it.

He says, "It's a breath of fresh air. Each chapter is perfect—it has a rhythmic flow that gives it an element of music. Great read."

He also suggested you sell some to Powell's Books.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on July 27, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
Interesting thought.  Looks like we have to use their on demand service, though.  Dunno if I wanna go thought the hassle.
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on July 29, 2012, 02:56:55 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on July 27, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
Interesting thought.  Looks like we have to use their on demand service, though.  Dunno if I wanna go thought the hassle.

In that case, I'm thinking of redesigning the Chao te Ching at about half it's current size, a limited edition of 23, hand bound, each cover with an actual block print of a pair of orange foo dogs (one on the front, one on the back) but with permanently adhered, movable googly eyes over their own.

Same content, properly attributed, released under the same CC license, of course. I'd mail you one, Cram one, keep one, sell 18 for a dollar each at places like Powell's and Last Thursday. I was thinking the remaining one could be a prize I'd mail out for some future pd.com based contest?
Title: Re: Chao Te Ching - Print Edition!
Post by: LMNO on July 30, 2012, 12:45:15 PM
That would be pretty cool!  Proceed without caution!